Relatives

[Pete0001]

Is there any living family member or relatives close or far that believe Jeremy is innocent?

[Hartley]

Is there any living family member or relatives close or far that believe Jeremy is innocent?

No. In fact quite the opposite, they all think he is as guilty as hell.

Abusive and threatening phone calls and letters from Jeremy to Ann and Peter and phone calls to the caravan park following his conviction haven't done much to pursuade them otherwise.

[Pete0001]

Right... I'm not really sure of their background.. I presume they were adopted very young? Were the biological parents ever mentioned/known?

[Hartley]

Right... I'm not really sure of their background.. I presume they were adopted very young? Were the biological parents ever mentioned/known?

I'm not really sure, either Sheila or Jeremy was the illigitimate child of a vicar or preist who had an affair.

I don't know if either had any relationship with their biological parents, or even knew who they were.

[HMEssex]

Bamber's natural father is Major Leslie Marsham, a former officer in the Royal Army Medical Corps who later worked for the Queen as a comptroller at Buckingham Palace. He and Bamber's mother, Juliet, were unmarried when the boy was born and gave him up for adoption to former RAF officer Nevill.

No idea about Sheila's background.

It would seem that even though Jeremy was the younger child, he was adopted first.

[Pete0001]

Thanks for the information.

[shonapugs]

Didn't Sheila meet her natural mother, not long before the murders?

[mb1]

It's been implied that the Eatons were 'ashamed' of their adopted relatives, that they didn't quite cut the mustard.

Measuring shame, a schizophrenic killer in the family would be bad (I think heartbreaking) enough. But one a schizophrenic and another a killer? The family have been talked about every since.

Not something you'd conspire for if socially aspirational.


 

[HMEssex]

It's been implied that the Eatons were 'ashamed' of their adopted relatives, that they didn't quite cut the mustard.

Measuring shame, a schizophrenic killer in the family would be bad (I think heartbreaking) enough. But one a schizophrenic and another a killer? The family have been talked about every since.

Not something you'd conspire for if socially aspirational.

No, imagine?  What would be the odds of that eh!

[jon]

It's been implied that the Eatons were 'ashamed' of their adopted relatives, that they didn't quite cut the mustard.

Measuring shame, a schizophrenic killer in the family would be bad (I think heartbreaking) enough. But one a schizophrenic and another a killer? The family have been talked about every since.

Not something you'd conspire for if socially aspirational.

No, imagine?  What would be the odds of that eh!

Nail on the head , what are the odds of it  a man who kills five people , two young children , whist his schizophrenic sister is also in the home !!

[Pete0001]

It's been implied that the Eatons were 'ashamed' of their adopted relatives, that they didn't quite cut the mustard.

Measuring shame, a schizophrenic killer in the family would be bad (I think heartbreaking) enough. But one a schizophrenic and another a killer? The family have been talked about every since.

Not something you'd conspire for if socially aspirational.

No, imagine?  What would be the odds of that eh!

Nail on the head , what are the odds of it  a man who kills five people , two young children , whist his schizophrenic sister is also in the home !!

Just so I have this straight.. are we suggesting that having a schizophrenic near by or involved means only they could have committed the crime.

I would say a cold, callous calculated murderer would play the schizophrenic card to its max... would you not think that as well maybe?

I'm just concerned that we don't suddenly start labeling people with mental health issues as more so murderers than perfectly "sane" (not sure of the right term) members of society.

[jon]

It's been implied that the Eatons were 'ashamed' of their adopted relatives, that they didn't quite cut the mustard.

Measuring shame, a schizophrenic killer in the family would be bad (I think heartbreaking) enough. But one a schizophrenic and another a killer? The family have been talked about every since.

Not something you'd conspire for if socially aspirational.

When Eddie Gilfoyle was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife , the Police told the court it was so many million to one chance that a pregnant woman would take her own life , so what i would like to know , is what are the odds of a man who has been tested by more than ten phsycologists killing five members of his family . including two sleeping children for money and at the same time telling his girlfriend he was going to do it  , and once he had jilting her , all at the same time has having a mentally ill sister , all to far fatched for i  !!


No, imagine?  What would be the odds of that eh!

Nail on the head , what are the odds of it  a man who kills five people , two young children , whist his schizophrenic sister is also in the home !!

Just so I have this straight.. are we suggesting that having a schizophrenic near by or involved means only they could have committed the crime.

I would say a cold, callous calculated murderer would play the schizophrenic card to its max... would you not think that as well maybe?

I'm just concerned that we don't suddenly start labeling people with mental health issues as more so murderers than perfectly "sane" (not sure of the right term) members of society.

[Pete0001]

When Eddie Gilfoyle was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife , the Police told the court it was so many million to one chance that a pregnant woman would take her own life , so what i would like to know , is what are the odds of a man who has been tested by more than ten phsycologists killing five members of his family . including two sleeping children for money and at the same time telling his girlfriend he was going to do it  , and once he had jilting her , all at the same time has having a mentally ill sister , all to far fatched for i  !!

Yes I read up on that case quite a lot.

Yes it does sound far fetched... almost as far fetched as a woman over powering her family ( and father who is already walking around) shooting them all whilst getting a reload in and then shooting her self and getting it wrong, waking up once the coppers have walked past her and walked up stairs to shoot herself again and this succeeded. Sorry but I find that a little far fetched too.
The problem is as soon as there's a mistake in the police investigation an army of people find a conspiracy theory to go with it rather than just being a mistake.

[Pete0001]

But anyway.. my point was... being a schizophrenic doesn't make you a murderer. Many people without mental health problems commit murder and a clever calculated person would play on the fact that a schizophrenic would be blamed.

I'm not suggesting thats what has happened here but this site is full of theories, some clever, some totally crazy... so mine should stand as much as any... just my opinion.

[Kaldin]

The fact that Sheila had schizophrenia wasn't a coincidence. The prosecution maintained that Jeremy made it look like murder and suicide because she had schizophrenia. They said he planned to blame her because of her illness. That's a credible explanation, although it's not necessarily the truth.