Grief

[elliehickman]

I agree with Maggie and Patti what an excellent post and I had to comment even though I don't post much. Maybe it's time to put the nude photo myth to bed.

I have been reading everything about this case and the supporters and I understand Tracy is one of Jeremys longest most loyal supporters and well done for that!!!

There can't be many people JB knows who are so loyal

[maggie]

Hi TracyJBH

Hope you had a good hol.

It appears that the Kubler-Ross model of grieving is widely accepted and used.  It uses five stages: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model
Interestingly the above is used in adoption as well - under grief section:
http://fairfamilies.org/newsfromfair/1999/99LifelongIssues.htm
Perhaps when JB lost his adoptive family it sparked off unresolved issues about the loss of his birth family which he may not even have been aware of.

Hi egapyou dont hear this often from me but I do thoroughly agree with you that the horrendous and brutal loss of his adootive family...which was the only family he could remember, dysfunctional or not must have sparked off deep old emotionao pain concernng feelings of abandonment and grief from his first traumatic loss of his birth mother.

[Steve_uk]

Hi egapyou dont hear this often from me but I do thoroughly agree with you that the horrendous and brutal loss of his adootive family...which was the only family he could remember, dysfunctional or not must have sparked off deep old emotionao pain concernng feelings of abandonment and grief from his first traumatic loss of his birth mother.

These feelings of grief didn't last very long did they? Only a few hours after being told of the slaughter of his whole family he is canoodling up to Julie Mugford and whispering "I should have been an actor",there were the crude sexual jokes on the way to the crematorium at the funerals,the bragging to Colin that he his witness statement was longer than Colin's,which reminds me of that grammar school environment when pupils used to brag in front of fellow-pupils how much they had written in a test essay,an environment which Jeremy academically felt like a flop. Now he was in charge,unshackled and people would dance to his tune.

[mertol22]

For obvious reasons jeremy and colin provided their statements not in either ones company, colin says in his book jeremy came out back to him saying they have taken this much off me , other than anything else i thought jeremy was a closer relation to the family than colin i must be mistaken.

[maggie]

These feelings of grief didn't last very long did they? Only a few hours after being told of the slaughter of his whole family he is canoodling up to Julie Mugford and whispering "I should have been an actor",there were the crude sexual jokes on the way to the crematorium at the funerals,the bragging to Colin that he his witness statement was longer than Colin's,which reminds me of that grammar school environment when pupils used to brag in front of fellow-pupils how much they had written in a test essay,an environment which Jeremy academically felt like a flop. Now he was in charge,unshackled and people would dance to his tune.

Steve where is this from? Where you there.....do you understand grief and trauma at all?

[susan]

Hi Patti  good thing for egap that Bridget is battling with brambles

[Steve_uk]

Steve where is this from? Where you there.....do you understand grief and trauma at all?

I know that people grieve in different ways;I accept this without having read all the links of the experts who no doubt could tell us all the stages that grief involves. But again I have to put it to the Jeremy supporters:there is so much evidence out there,call it circumstantial if you like but it comes from diverse quarters,that Jeremy is behind this crime. I know it's not what you want to hear. Maggie I am reading through the books written on the case and the information contained in the post you allude to is from Colin Caffell's book "In Search of the Rainbow's End".

[vidvic]

I agree with Maggie and Patti what an excellent post and I had to comment even though I don't post much. Maybe it's time to put the nude photo myth to bed.

I have been reading everything about this case and the supporters and I understand Tracy is one of Jeremys longest most loyal supporters and well done for that!!!

There can't be many people JB knows who are so loyal

Yes, let's conveniently forget about an event that was witnessed and printed, and let's concentrate on wild speculation.....

[lookout]

Hi Steve_uk

As many of the posts have stated on here people grieve in different ways. 

Someone with JB's background ie adopted and boarding school might think displaying any emotion/vulnerabilites is a sign of weakness.

Had JB carried out the murders I feel he would have been very mindful of his behaviour and how it might have been interpreted.  As he was innocent he did whatever came naturally which at times might have appeared crass.

Yes,egap,,Jeremys' behaviour was no different if that's what people were tittle-tattling about.  He'd have shown great strain and would have been affected in some way,behaviourally.
Probably a lot had to do with the fact that he knew he hadn't done it,and sensed relief in that respect,albeit for 12 months.

[Jane]

Hi April1

Yes you're right her husband had been unwell for sometime and he was quite grumpy once nearly run me over in his motorised scooter or whatever you call those things.

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Hi egap. ANOTHER case of road rage!!!!!

[susan]

april  you are so funny I get knocked down by them all the time I have to jump into ditches at times and watch for them coming back to get me again

[Jane]

april  you are so funny I get knocked down by them all the time I have to jump into ditches at times and watch for them coming back to get me again

Susan, hi. Those drivers are LETHAL!!! When they feel the force of the hairdryer powered engine, backed up by bunny batteries, the power goes to their head!!! In the village I've just moved from they drive in the middle of the road, If they're on the pavement they bash into the back of peoples heels. There's only one thing worse. At the moment the world and his wife (and children!!!) are all wiggins wanabees and they're all cycling on roads near me!!!

[susan]

Yes april when they get behind the wheel on the high street power goes to their head and they think they are Dan Dare they are lethal and dangerous and you need your wits about you to stay in one piece.  Some men are the same on ride on lawn mowers.   Hope poor mertol never meets up with them

[Bridget]

Yes april when they get behind the wheel on the high street power goes to their head and they think they are Dan Dare they are lethal and dangerous and you need your wits about you to stay in one piece.  Some men are the same on ride on lawn mowers.   Hope poor mertol never meets up with them

Can you imagine Mertol's horror if they ever bring in motorised shopping trolleys?

[susan]

Hi Bridget  can you imagine mertol if next time he goes in the supermarket he see's motorised trolleys with men in baggy shorts socks and sandels and lists I think he will have himself sectioned.