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Offline Steve_uk

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Sorry Steve,but I'm waiting for this concrete evidence from you for these mass murders,other than hearsay,etc etc.

It is hearsay lookout,but it's hearsay of eight people I can think off offhand and if I thought about it deeper I could probably come up with a couple more. It's not only the testimony of these people which depicts scant regard and malice aforethought in Jeremy's mind,it's the way he reacted after the murders with no remorse,no feelings whatsoever towards Colin,because he still thinks he's done Colin a favour by allowing him to start afresh. It's the attitude of Jeremy towards the Police interrogators where he talks in monosyllables instead of talking like a normal innocent person would do. He obviously has something to hide.

There was forensic evidence which would have tied this case up:the muddied bicycle at Goldhanger,the blood on Jeremy's shirt cuff,the hack saw marks on the outside of the kitchen window sill along with marks suggesting someone had gained entry,though Jeremy covered himself by admitting that he had used that ingress several times previously. It's just that Jeremy was never forensically examined,as DCI Edward Taff Jones had more or less staked his reputation on the case being "a domestic" and by the time Jeremy became the prime suspect most of the forensic evidence had been destroyed.

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Well thats clear enough egap. Thanks for your opinion.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2012, 07:55:PM by maggie »

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Jeremy was not "just happy to sail along". He murdered his entire family in cold blood in order to be sole beneficiary of his parents' inheritance. He detested the farming lifestyle and endured it only so long as he had to to avert suspicion from his wicked scheme of doing away with three generations of the same family in the space of a few minutes.

Sheila's natural mother flew into Heathrow from Canada and she was everything Sheila expected her to be,beautiful and affectionate. Both were crying and hugging as they met for the first time since Sheila was an 8 week-old baby. Sheila's wish was that she maintained contact with her after such a long period of absence in her life and nothing I have read suggests that the mother would have forbade this,otherwise why did she agree to meet her in the first place? This also backs up Dr. Hugh Ferguson's statement that Sheila was not at risk of suicide because she enjoyed life too much.





Were you there,  Steve?
« Last Edit: August 27, 2012, 07:59:PM by HMEssex »

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Wow that was harsh egap. Clearly you and Maggie have differing experiences of adoption, but neither of your experiences are universal. One or other of you could be right or you could both be completely wrong when it comes to the bamber's experience. Either way, maggie's contributions are as welcome as yours, surely.
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It is hearsay lookout,but it's hearsay of eight people I can think off offhand and if I thought about it deeper I could probably come up with a couple more. It's not only the testimony of these people which depicts scant regard and malice aforethought in Jeremy's mind,it's the way he reacted after the murders with no remorse,no feelings whatsoever towards Colin,because he still thinks he's done Colin a favour by allowing him to start afresh. It's the attitude of Jeremy towards the Police interrogators where he talks in monosyllables instead of talking like a normal innocent person would do. He obviously has something to hide.

There was forensic evidence which would have tied this case up:the muddied bicycle at Goldhanger,the blood on Jeremy's shirt cuff,the hack saw marks on the outside of the kitchen window sill along with marks suggesting someone had gained entry,though Jeremy covered himself by admitting that he had used that ingress several times previously. It's just that Jeremy was never forensically examined,as DCI Edward Taff Jones had more or less staked his reputation on the case being "a domestic" and by the time Jeremy became the prime suspect most of the forensic evidence had been destroyed.


But hearsay is no basis in which to convict anyone. This is why this forum is here.To see fair play.
You're like a stuck record,Steve,same answers over and over again.The bicycle again.How long before you're going to mention the wetsuit,goggles and flippers. You've already hinted at the Marigolds.I'm in disbelief here. You're dreaming,and you can't come up with any solid evidence,just like the police couldn't,who were all clutching at straws,while the relatives were scuttling around looking for anything that looked like a clue.
Was this the way to conduct a mass murder.?

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Hi Steve_uk

Was Dr F a credible expert witness.  I rather think not.  I'm more inclined towards seeing a repeat of Prof Roy Meadows.

However when JB's case gets back to CoA, and it will, top pscychologists and psychiatrists specialising in attachment disorders and adoption will be called in and along with all the other flawed and fabricated evidence our justice system will be seen for what it is all over the world ie flawed along with the evidence.


Well it seems an awful lot of the Prosecution's witnesses were not credible..as for your psychological psychobabble,this again is just pie in the sky,as the Jeremy supporters have been saying this every few years from 1988..the truth is the way Jeremy is going he will never be released as he is in denial. He has nowhere to turn as a confession will not get him out and neither will this recalcitrance of Jeremy who fears for his life in prison were he to confess,he despises religion after seeing its effects first hand on mother and sister so that route is closed off,and he's still got one eye on the inheritance which he would forfeit should he accept complicity in the murder.
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Wow that was harsh egap. Clearly you and Maggie have differing experiences of adoption, but neither of your experiences are universal. One or other of you could be right or you could both be completely wrong when it comes to the bamber's experience. Either way, maggie's contributions are as welcome as yours, surely.
Thank you Bridget. I should just like to point out that I have always felt we dont really know much in the way of  fact about the relationship between Sheila and June.  As in many other areas there is plenty of hearsay but few facts.  I try to be fair to both Sheila and June....I find it unfair to speak of her really badly when to me she was a woman with severe mental health problems herself.  This does not mean that I am unaware of real damage which can be done to adopted abd fostered children.  Indeed my closest friend is still struggling with fallout from her unhappy childhood and I do ny best to support her as I would anyone with problems.  All adopted children suffer even if their adoptions are happy and fulfiled it is a very difficult area. 
As for however much time I spend on this forum...and its not that much but in any case that is simply nothing to do with anyone.  imo

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Jeremy was not "just happy to sail along". He murdered his entire family in cold blood in order to be sole beneficiary of his parents' inheritance. He detested the farming lifestyle and endured it only so long as he had to to avert suspicion from his wicked scheme of doing away with three generations of the same family in the space of a few minutes.

Sheila's natural mother flew into Heathrow from Canada and she was everything Sheila expected her to be,beautiful and affectionate. Both were crying and hugging as they met for the first time since Sheila was an 8 week-old baby. Sheila's wish was that she maintained contact with her after such a long period of absence in her life and nothing I have read suggests that the mother would have forbade this,otherwise why did she agree to meet her in the first place? This also backs up Dr. Hugh Ferguson's statement that Sheila was not at risk of suicide because she enjoyed life too much.

Hi Steve are you worn out yet? :)

Can you tell me how you know for sure that the murdered his family for money?  And can you give me evidence that points to Jeremy detesting his life style on the farm? According to his previous girlfriend he talked about the farm all the time....

I think it is heart rendering that SC met up with her natural mother, it brings tears to my eyes....It must have been a wonderful moment Steve.....also upsetting.

I remember reading AE's statement about or was it CC book...that Sheila had kept all of this a secret from her adoptive parents and something to do with some photographs that had been taken.  I have often wondered if this meeting came up on the night of the tragedies and had caused a blazing row....Something we will never know I suppose.... :) :) :) :) :)

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But hearsay is no basis in which to convict anyone. This is why this forum is here.To see fair play.
You're like a stuck record,Steve,same answers over and over again.The bicycle again.How long before you're going to mention the wetsuit,goggles and flippers. You've already hinted at the Marigolds.I'm in disbelief here. You're dreaming,and you can't come up with any solid evidence,just like the police couldn't,who were all clutching at straws,while the relatives were scuttling around looking for anything that looked like a clue.
Was this the way to conduct a mass murder.?

The evidence was put before the jury,which is what the Jeremy supporters can't stand..

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The evidence was put before the jury,which is what the Jeremy supporters can't stand..

Evidence my foot.The jury were well and truly swayed by the media and also the judge who put words into the mouths of those jurors who couldn't think for themselves.One more,and Jeremy would have been acquitted.
What us supporters can't stand is the unfair trial that Jeremy had.

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Thank you Bridget. I should just like to point out that I have always felt we dont really know much in the way of  fact about the relationship between Sheila and June.  As in many other areas there is plenty of hearsay but few facts.  I try to be fair to both Sheila and June....I find it unfair to speak of her really badly when to me she was a woman with severe mental health problems herself.  This does not mean that I am unaware of real damage which can be done to adopted abd fostered children.  Indeed my closest friend is still struggling with fallout from her unhappy childhood and I do ny best to support her as I would anyone with problems.  All adopted children suffer even if their adoptions are happy and fulfiled it is a very difficult area. 
As for however much time I spend on this forum...and its not that much but in any case that is simply nothing to do with anyone.  imo

Maggie, I would like to say that despite the fact I probably am not the best advocate for adopted mums, and because of my own, less than happy experience this may put us at opposite ends of the spectrum, nevertheless I believe that you and I understand each other and I value highly our relationship. I probably do take the anger out on June, that I felt towards my mother, but I would NEVER take it out on you and it pleases me to know that adoption can work.

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Hi Steve are you worn out yet? :)

Can you tell me how you know for sure that the murdered his family for money?  And can you give me evidence that points to Jeremy detesting his life style on the farm? According to his previous girlfriend he talked about the farm all the time....

I think it is heart rendering that SC met up with her natural mother, it brings tears to my eyes....It must have been a wonderful moment Steve.....also upsetting.

I remember reading AE's statement about or was it CC book...that Sheila had kept all of this a secret from her adoptive parents and something to do with some photographs that had been taken.  I have often wondered if this meeting came up on the night of the tragedies and had caused a blazing row....Something we will never know I suppose.... :) :) :) :) :)

The only time he seriously settled down to farm labour was the last year of the five victims' lives,when we know from Julie Mugford's testimony which has stood for 27 years and will stand for the next 27 that in that last year Jeremy was devising different means of killing his entire immediate family.

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Hi Maggie

I would never discuss or publish a pm.  I found it a very odd thing for you to say at the time.  I will forward it to you and you check it out.

Why not refrain from adding posts about June and/or adoption then? As I said the difficulty I have with your posts Maggie is that the forum posts do not stack up with your pm's and in this respect I think you're being unfair to the debate and what many of us are trying to do for JB.

No I don't find it difficult at all.  On the contrary I find it quite therapeutic.  I am pleased to be able to offer something different to the debate and hopefully in doing so can help posters understand a little about adoption pscychology and that adoptive families are different from birth families and how this may have played out in JB's MoJ.

Maggie I don't wish to sound rude but if it's all getting too much perhaps you should take a break for a while you do seem to spend a lot of time on the forum far be it for me to tell you how to spend your time.
You know the saying if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.  I know you said to Andrea you were snappy with her due to your anti-anxiety drugs but I thought this was just for flying.
Perhaps you could be bit more condescending?

Why are you trying to start a fight with Maggie? I would have thought we'd had enough of trolls trying to wind people up on this forum lately, without regulars like you joining in  :-\

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Egap I have never for a moment disagreed with your research, I have said before in pm that I just find it hard to speak badly of June,
The whole subject is enormous and diverse, what ever I have said in my pms I meant as I have in my forum posts...I fail to understand your point. I am on my phone which doesnt help and the subject is enormous If you feel Ive mislead you Im sorry....

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The only time he seriously settled down to farm labour was the last year of the five victims' lives,when we know from Julie Mugford's testimony which has stood for 27 years and will stand for the next 27 that in that last year Jeremy was devising different means of killing his entire immediate family.

Hi Steve

I wasn't a juror at the time, nor did I witness the case in court. I could not possible answer the questions put me by the judge.  What I do know is that JM constantly cried throughout the cross examination, which could have made it difficult for JB's defence. Does that sound fair, form my point of view?  :) :) :) :) :)