Rucked up nightdress beneath Sheila's stage managed body...

[maggie]

So, Susan/Maggie. What do we think? Was this delicate flower "dazzled by Jeremy's cruel handsomeness" or had she learned things at uni that made him salivate in such a way that HE was in thrall to HER? Did she get some kind thrill from committing crimes? Was she turned on by this all talk but naive ex public schoolboy eating out of her hand? She was certainly,IMO, the sharper of the two and as such would have been the dominant figure. Was it a game she was playing when she passed the dud cheques, along the lines of "If I do this, how will you match it?" (She wasn't stupid, she refrained from doing it in her local town of Colchester) Perhaps committing the burglary at the camp site was as far as he was prepared to go. Was she truly in love with him? It's interesting that psychopaths are incapable of loving anyone but themselves. Their interests, their survival is paramount and comes before all else.

Yes, and the only emotion they feel is about themselves.  I'm sure she was crying at the trial because she was helping to put Jeremy away but not for him, for herself. imho

[lookout]

So, Susan/Maggie. What do we think? Was this delicate flower "dazzled by Jeremy's cruel handsomeness" or had she learned things at uni that made him salivate in such a way that HE was in thrall to HER? Did she get some kind thrill from committing crimes? Was she turned on by this all talk but naive ex public schoolboy eating out of her hand? She was certainly,IMO, the sharper of the two and as such would have been the dominant figure. Was it a game she was playing when she passed the dud cheques, along the lines of "If I do this, how will you match it?" (She wasn't stupid, she refrained from doing it in her local town of Colchester) Perhaps committing the burglary at the camp site was as far as he was prepared to go. Was she truly in love with him? It's interesting that psychopaths are incapable of loving anyone but themselves. Their interests, their survival is paramount and comes before all else.

Good posts here,,and similar on the lines of my thoughts from the beginning,,as I actually thought it was JM.! It could well have been on the promise/premise of big bucks coming forthwith.
If JM can walk boldly into a mortuary to see two little boys,,,then she can do anything,,,don't you think.?
You're not as scared when you're younger,,and you're willing to take chances too.
Don't think I haven't already thought this through,,,because I have. Take a look at her fixed expression at the funeral,,,,and read into it what you can.

[Steve_uk]

Yes, and the only emotion they feel is about themselves.  I'm sure she was crying at the trial because she was helping to put Jeremy away but not for him, for herself. imho

When Jeremy and Julie were in a side room of the cottage with the Police possibly listening in Jeremy allegedly remarked:"I should have been an actor" and this might apply admittedly to Julie in the courtroom that day. Notwithstanding however painful as it may be for the Jeremy supporters this does not alter one iota the substance of Julie's testimony that day.

[maggie]

Yet this clandestine psychopath is now a pillar of the Winnepeg community,on many occasions going beyond the call of duty in her job and freely giving of her time and efforts. Jeremy was nobody's fool,but he liked a stronger woman,preferring a maternal figure whom he could hug rather than the act of sexual penetration itself. Maybe Julie had the intelligence to see that this was the way to his heart. Nobody is claiming that Julie Mugford was an angel,but unless you crack her testimony with facts not supposition Jeremy will be spending his next 27 years in a similar way to the first 27.

What are you talking about, Jeremy preferred hugs to sex?  Did he tell you that, you accuse us of supposition!   We are just wondering and debating, we cannot say anything is definite as we don't know. On the other hand you apparently have all the goss. on Jeremy's sex life.

[maggie]

Good posts here,,and similar on the lines of my thoughts from the beginning,,as I actually thought it was JM.! It could well have been on the promise/premise of big bucks coming forthwith.
If JM can walk boldly into a mortuary to see two little boys,,,then she can do anything,,,don't you think.?
You're not as scared when you're younger,,and you're willing to take chances too.
Don't think I haven't already thought this through,,,because I have. Take a look at her fixed expression at the funeral,,,,and read into it what you can.

I have contemplated it lookout but I don't think it would be her...she'd have to be a serious, heavy duty psychopath to do that I would imagine.

[-Harters-]

I think someone just put something in my coffee, you are all sounding quite mad, maybe it's me and I just need to go and have a lie down. 

[Roch]

When Jeremy and Julie were in a side room of the cottage with the Police possibly listening in Jeremy allegedly remarked: "I should have been an actor"

If Bamber ever did actually state that, how do we know he wasn't simply referring to his own 'keeping it together' ... once the initial shock had passed?

[lookout]

If anything,,it was both Sheila and JM who'd shown violent streaks. Jeremy showed none at all and didn't even get rattled while being interrogated by the police,,,as they were waiting for signs of violence,and it never happened,,much to their dismay.

[Steve_uk]

Good posts here,,and similar on the lines of my thoughts from the beginning,,as I actually thought it was JM.! It could well have been on the promise/premise of big bucks coming forthwith.
If JM can walk boldly into a mortuary to see two little boys,,,then she can do anything,,,don't you think.?
You're not as scared when you're younger,,and you're willing to take chances too.
Don't think I haven't already thought this through,,,because I have. Take a look at her fixed expression at the funeral,,,,and read into it what you can.

Had Julie Mugford discussed the murders in any way which could be interpreted as planting seeds in Jeremy's mind on how to accomplish it I would be the first to indict her on at least an accessory to murder charge. However firstly Jeremy would have to admit his guilt,stop blaming it all on his mentally ill sister,and apologize to Colin Caffell and numerous others for his actions that night. If he were to follow that step I would not begrudge taxpayers' money being spent on a facility in Scotland similar to the one specifically being built for Anders Behring Breivik in Norway as I speak. It would be a good end to Jeremy Bamber for him to spend his days this way without fear of attack and who knows his acknowledgement of guilt might unburden his soul and set him on a course of some kind of rehabilitation.

[Roch]

Jeremy was nobody's fool, but he liked a stronger woman, preferring a maternal figure whom he could hug rather than the act of sexual penetration itself.

Steve forget what I said about Mills & Boon.  Your career's already over with that one.

[maggie]

When Jeremy and Julie were in a side room of the cottage with the Police possibly listening in Jeremy allegedly remarked:"I should have been an actor" and this might apply admittedly to Julie in the courtroom that day. Notwithstanding however painful as it may be for the Jeremy supporters this does not alter one iota the substance of Julie's testimony that day.

Steve, I don't think the police heard Jerermy say he should have been an actor, that was what Julie Mugford stated he said when she turned up at the farm.....

[maggie]

Steve forget what I said about Mills & Boon.  Your career's already over with that one.

[Steve_uk]

If Bamber ever did actually state that, how do we know he wasn't simply referring to his own 'keeping it together' ... once the initial shock had passed?

There was no shock;it was all a hollow facade. Jeremy knew several hours before the Police that all the occupants of White House Farm were dead,he had the time to compose himself and ask himself how a person under such circumstances would act. The "I should have been an actor" quote comes again from Julie Mugford,and I have to ask how many more indications do you need of Jeremy Bamber's behaviour subsequent to the murders that he was in fact guilty.

[susan]

Mr Jam  can I come with you disappeared for 5 minutes and wow what happened

[Jane]

Steve, I don't think the police heard Jerermy say he should have been an actor, that was what Julie Mugford stated he said when she turned up at the farm.....

Maggie, am I the only one who wonders if the was ever another person present when Jeremy said all these damning words to JM, or were they all said between the sheets? Hang on!! Doesn't that make it hearsay?