Is there a catch to the windows?

[Bridget]

One more question: Why did Cook remove that catch on the 27th and only that catch, if the marks weren't discovered until the 1st of October?

[Patti]

So... possibilities:

The date in Cook's statement is wrong? Unlikely I think since he goes on to say what he did on the 1st.

The date given for Elliot's visit in the 2002 appeal is wrong - but if it was he who removed it and gave it to Cook, why doesn't it have his initials in the reference instead of Cook's?

There are two parts to a sash catch, one attached to each sash. He removed the upper one and the scratches were seen on the lower one? Might that be why Elliot was called in?

Someone replaced the catch with either the original or a replacement and that's what Elliot looked at?

Did Elliot actually examine the catch at the lab, rather than in situ, after it had been removed?

Could cook have damaged the that window prior to the invasion of Elliott's team? The evidence is now weakened Bridget....unless a simple explanation comes forward...but all the same it was the 2002 appeal this was documented in....if it is not right then, what else in that documents isn't right...

[Bridget]

Could cook have damaged the that window prior to the invasion of Elliott's team? The evidence is now weakened Bridget....unless a simple explanation comes forward...but all the same it was the 2002 appeal this was documented in....if it is not right then, what else in that documents isn't right...

I agree, that's a question that has to be asked. The answers to this are probably in Elliot's report / statement.

[Patti]

Moe read this thread the document is on here....Also part of the 2002 appeal which is copied an pasted...

[Patti]

So... possibilities:

The date in Cook's statement is wrong? Unlikely I think since he goes on to say what he did on the 1st.

The date given for Elliot's visit in the 2002 appeal is wrong - but if it was he who removed it and gave it to Cook, why doesn't it have his initials in the reference instead of Cook's?

There are two parts to a sash catch, one attached to each sash. He removed the upper one and the scratches were seen on the lower one? Might that be why Elliot was called in?

Someone replaced the catch with either the original or a replacement and that's what Elliot looked at?

Did Elliot actually examine the catch at the lab, rather than in situ, after it had been removed?

The two catches that you talk about Bridget....are!  The bottom catch is the female part of the catch and the upper part is the male....There is only one catch but it comes it two parts which allows it to be closed......Is this what you mean?   

[Bridget]

The two catches that you talk about Bridget....are!  The bottom catch is the female part of the catch and the upper part is the male....There is only one catch but it comes it two parts which allows it to be closed......Is this what you mean?   

Sort of, but on my windows the 'male' part is on the bottom sash.

[Patti]

Sort of, but on my windows the 'male' part is on the bottom sash.

do you have to physically push the top bit when you close it?  I'm sure we had to manually close it to the right...I might google some sash cord window catches...because I don;t think any amount of banging will lock it....It might look locked? but in fact it will still open....I'm not going anywhere with this, but I would just like to know a little bit more. 

[-Harters-]

do you have to physically push the top bit when you close it?  I'm sure we had to manually close it to the right...I might google some sash cord window catches...because I don;t think any amount of banging will lock it....It might look locked? but in fact it will still open....I'm not going anywhere with this, but I would just like to know a little bit more. 

I haven't read the rest of the thread, but are you referring to the kitchen window? If so, then it is a casement window and not a sliding sash.

The bathroom window which was unlocked from the outside using a hacksaw blade, is a sliding sash.

[Patti]

I haven't read the rest of the thread, but are you referring to the kitchen window? If so, then it is a casement window and not a sliding sash.

The bathroom window which was unlocked from the outside using a hacksaw blade, is a sliding sash.

Hi Hartley. I am referring to RCW/8 the downstairs bathroom window catch....Can you confirm to me that that window is a sash cord window....

[-Harters-]

Hi Hartley. I am referring to RCW/8 the downstairs bathroom window catch....Can you confirm to me that that window is a sash cord window....

Yes, see photograph below. But nobody is suggesting that this window was banged and locked from the outside, that was the kitchen casement window above the sink.

Unless I'm misunderstanding you again? 

[Bridget]

do you have to physically push the top bit when you close it?  I'm sure we had to manually close it to the right...I might google some sash cord window catches...because I don;t think any amount of banging will lock it....It might look locked? but in fact it will still open....I'm not going anywhere with this, but I would just like to know a little bit more. 

I think you're mixing up your windows, the prosecution suggestion was that he got in through the bathroom (sash) window, and left through the kitchen (casement) window and banged that one to shut it. Obviously once in through the bathroom window he could lock that from the inside.

[Patti]

Thank you.   :D

My mistake Hartley it was the kitchen window that was banged. 

So the bathroom downstairs is the one on the left as you look at the picture, the one nearest the wall with all the rubble below it...? 

[Patti]

I think you're mixing up your windows, the prosecution suggestion was that he got in through the bathroom (sash) window, and left through the kitchen (casement) window and banged that one to shut it. Obviously once in through the bathroom window he could lock that from the inside.

I am, but now back on track.. 

[Bridget]

Thank you.   :D

My mistake Hartley it was the kitchen window that was banged. 

So the bathroom downstairs is the one on the left as you look at the picture, the one nearest the wall with all the rubble below it...? 

Yes..

[-Harters-]

Thank you.   :D

My mistake Hartley it was the kitchen window that was banged. 

So the bathroom downstairs is the one on the left as you look at the picture, the one nearest the wall with all the rubble below it...? 

Yes, that's correct. The rubble is the cellar access though.