The Firearm

[Kaldin]

It seems to me then that the killer was maybe standing by the bottom right corner of the bed when they shot June, but what about the cartridges which in the doorway or nearer the window? Was Neville shot there? There are too many cartridges in that room if he wasn't.

Whatever happened in that bedroom is very mysterious.

[mb1]

I still wonder why there was one on the kitchen stairs though. That's rather odd.

Have you read SimonG's interpretation of the burn marks to Neville's back? Can't remember which discussion thread they were in.

If they had to manually load the gun, then the killer was on the stairs preparing a shot.

If the shell was automatically discharged after a shot, then the killer was on the stairs firing the gun at someone.

Wasn't there blood just outside the door to the kitchen? 

[Kaldin]

I still wonder why there was one on the kitchen stairs though. That's rather odd.

Have you read SimonG's interpretation of the burn marks to Neville's back? Can't remember which discussion thread they were in.

If they had to manually load the gun, then the killer was on the stairs preparing a shot.

If the shell was automatically discharged after a shot, then the killer was on the stairs firing the gun at someone.

Wasn't there blood just outside the door to the kitchen?

There was blood just outside the kitchen - on the wallpaper in the hall - that's not really near the kitchen stairs. The kitchen stairs are pretty narrow and they seem to be at a strange angle too. It must have been quite hard to fire from there.

[Mike]

Anyway, so when the cartridge is ejected does it just fall straight to the floor or does it sort of ping away from the gun? Also, what side does it come out of?

Usually on the right side Kaldin. The used case is ejected with the pressure of the magazine spring and will land a foot or two away from the shooting position.  Mike

[Mike]

Sorry i could be misunderstanding here but if the case is not rejected until the next bullet is reloaded then Sheila shooting herself last would leave one empty shell case still in the weapon would it not? On the map, though there is two cases accounted for Sheila. Sorry i am no expert on guns either

That is quite correct Simong - the case of the bullet that shot her would still be in the gun. Mike

[Kaldin]

Sorry i could be misunderstanding here but if the case is not rejected until the next bullet is reloaded then Sheila shooting herself last would leave one empty shell case still in the weapon would it not? On the map, though there is two cases accounted for Sheila. Sorry i am no expert on guns either

That is quite correct Simong. Mike

So are you saying that Sheila could not have shot herself?

[Kaldin]

Anyway, so when the cartridge is ejected does it just fall straight to the floor or does it sort of ping away from the gun? Also, what side does it come out of?

Usually on the right side Kaldin. The used case is ejected with the pressure of the magazine spring and will land a foot or two away from the shooting position.  Mike

Thank you. I think it's important to understand where those cartridges would have ended up.

[simong]

All the info on here has certainly helped me with visualising the bedroom scene.  Kaldin or anyone with the info, Where is the stairs to the kitchen in relation to the bedroom and boys bedroom?

[Kaldin]

All the info on here has certainly helped me with visualising the bedroom scene.  Kaldin or anyone with the info, Where is the stairs to the kitchen in relation to the bedroom and boys bedroom?

Here are some plans which might help you.

Apparently, there were three staircases in the house, but I think the plan of the upstairs shows where the stairs from the kitchen come out on the first floor - near the bathroom. Perhaps Mike could clarify that.

http://jeremybamber.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=217.0;attach=519;image

http://jeremybamber.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=217.0;attach=507;image

[Mike]

I'm also still confused. I thought a semi-automatic ejected the cartridge when the bullet was fired, but Mike says it doesn't.

I also still want to know where those cartridges go after they leave the gun because it would help to establish where the killer was standing when the gun was fired.

Mike is incorrect and is describing a bolt action, a semi automatic rifle fire one bullet per trigger pull but is self loading and self ejecting of spent cartridges.

What was the model of the Anshutz .22 semi-automatic rifle?

You are quite correct and I do apologise for giving misleading information. The rifle was apparently an Anschutz 525 .22 Semi-Automatic and this rifle would fire and simultaneously eject the case re-cocking itself using the energy from the discharge.  Mike.

[Kaldin]

I'm also still confused. I thought a semi-automatic ejected the cartridge when the bullet was fired, but Mike says it doesn't.

I also still want to know where those cartridges go after they leave the gun because it would help to establish where the killer was standing when the gun was fired.

Mike is incorrect and is describing a bolt action, a semi automatic rifle fire one bullet per trigger pull but is self loading and self ejecting of spent cartridges.

What was the model of the Anshutz .22 semi-automatic rifle?

You are quite correct and I do apologise for giving misleading information. The rifle was apparently an Anschutz 525 .22 Semi-Automatic and this rifle would fire and simultaneously eject the case re-cocking itself using the energy from the discharge.  Mike.

Cheers. I'm glad that's sorted.  :D

[Kaldin]

Another question. When such a gun is fired would the end of the barrel or silencer be hot? Hot enough to mark someone's skin?

[mb1]

I'm also still confused. I thought a semi-automatic ejected the cartridge when the bullet was fired, but Mike says it doesn't.

I also still want to know where those cartridges go after they leave the gun because it would help to establish where the killer was standing when the gun was fired.

Mike is incorrect and is describing a bolt action, a semi automatic rifle fire one bullet per trigger pull but is self loading and self ejecting of spent cartridges.

What was the model of the Anshutz .22 semi-automatic rifle?

You are quite correct and I do apologise for giving misleading information. The rifle was apparently an Anschutz 525 .22 Semi-Automatic and this rifle would fire and simultaneously eject the case re-cocking itself using the energy from the discharge.  Mike.

So the killer either fired the gun while on the stairs, or at the top of the stairs and the bullet rolled down.

[Kaldin]

I'm also still confused. I thought a semi-automatic ejected the cartridge when the bullet was fired, but Mike says it doesn't.

I also still want to know where those cartridges go after they leave the gun because it would help to establish where the killer was standing when the gun was fired.

Mike is incorrect and is describing a bolt action, a semi automatic rifle fire one bullet per trigger pull but is self loading and self ejecting of spent cartridges.

What was the model of the Anshutz .22 semi-automatic rifle?

You are quite correct and I do apologise for giving misleading information. The rifle was apparently an Anschutz 525 .22 Semi-Automatic and this rifle would fire and simultaneously eject the case re-cocking itself using the energy from the discharge.  Mike.

So the killer either fired the gun while on the stairs, or at the top of the stairs and the bullet rolled down.

Good question. Also, who was it fired at - Neville? As he was going down the stairs or coming up? I don't think I've read anywhere that any of the shots fired at him happened when he had his back to the killer.

[mike tesko]

I'm also still confused. I thought a semi-automatic ejected the cartridge when the bullet was fired, but Mike says it doesn't.

I also still want to know where those cartridges go after they leave the gun because it would help to establish where the killer was standing when the gun was fired.

Mike is incorrect and is describing a bolt action, a semi automatic rifle fire one bullet per trigger pull but is self loading and self ejecting of spent cartridges.

What was the model of the Anshutz .22 semi-automatic rifle?

You are quite correct and I do apologise for giving misleading information. The rifle was apparently an Anschutz 525 .22 Semi-Automatic and this rifle would fire and simultaneously eject the case re-cocking itself using the energy from the discharge.  Mike.

So the killer either fired the gun while on the stairs, or at the top of the stairs and the bullet rolled down.

Good question. Also, who was it fired at - Neville? As he was going down the stairs or coming up? I don't think I've read anywhere that any of the shots fired at him happened when he had his back to the killer.

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According to what the pathologist says, any one of th four wounds to Ralph s head would have been immediately incapacitating, so if he got shot on the stairs, how did he make it into the kitchen where only three other bullet cases were found?

None of Ralph's blood was found on the stairs, only some "O" type blood that could have originated from the children after they had been shot, whioch was carried upon the person who was responsible for shooting them...