The key(s) to unlocking Jeremy's cell door

[grahameb]

Probably, but the fact that he could have got in through the windows was not the only evidence against him. If we were to take your line then no one would ever get convicted of anything unless there was say.. CCTV footage which clearly showed the suspect's face, and then someone would argue that there are plenty of people look similar. It's not a perfect system by any means, but it's all we've got.

So you think we should all think like you do you? No, what I would like to see is good honest solid evidence against him. There is nothing but the words of a proven liar and a dodgy silencer which needs a\ dirty great electron microscope to see even the tiniest bit of DNA which in itself is worthless. If there was such clear evidence then there wouldn't be such a great amount of people who doubt his conviction.

[Bridget]

So you think we should all think like you do you? No, what I would like to see is good honest solid evidence against him. There is nothing but the words of a proven liar and a dodgy silencer which needs a\ dirty great electron microscope to see even the tiniest bit of DNA which in itself is worthless. If there was such clear evidence then there wouldn't be such a great amount of people who doubt his conviction.

You are free to think however you want Grahame - it's a free country.

[grahameb]

You are free to think however you want Grahame - it's a free country.

Not to Jeremy though.

[lookout]

So you think we should all think like you do you? No, what I would like to see is good honest solid evidence against him. There is nothing but the words of a proven liar and a dodgy silencer which needs a\ dirty great electron microscope to see even the tiniest bit of DNA which in itself is worthless. If there was such clear evidence then there wouldn't be such a great amount of people who doubt his conviction.

This is the whole fault of the case Grahame. There's no concrete evidence whatsoever. Nothing to incriminate Jeremy at all. How could they get away with it.? Have they no conscience.?

[grahameb]

This is the whole fault of the case Grahame. There's no concrete evidence whatsoever. Nothing to incriminate Jeremy at all. How could they get away with it.? Have they no conscience.?

I can honestly say that I don't trust any of the prosecution witnesses one iota. I think all the so called "evidence" against him so weak that it is almost transparent.

[lookout]

I can honestly say that I don't trust any of the prosecution witnesses one iota. I think all the so called "evidence" against him so weak that it is almost transparent.

I agree with you Grahame,,,they based their findings on the lies and altered statements handed to them by the police and relatives. Then folk wonder why there's no respect for the law when this sort of thing goes on.

[petey]

Petey
If the phone logs prove that a call was made from whf to Jeremy's residence at about  03. 15 - 03.30 and also proves that very shortly thereafter (within a few minutes or so) a call was made from Jeremy's residence to the police (or to JM), because Jeremy couldn't have made both calls,  by inference it follows that he is not the murderer!!
By the way, I consider it to be complete bull-shit that the phone logs are the subject of PII - no Judge would make such an Order!!
The level of the detail of the information posted by Mike clearly indicates that he has the phone logs in his possession!!

Firstly, it's currently a big IF?!

Secondly, yes I agree that it would show that JB couldn't have made both calls and therefore couldn't have been at whf, but if the calls were conclusively proved, it would then give rise to 'hit man' theories.

I agree that such evidence would be very strong, but it would not prove conclusively / beyond reasonable doubt that JB did not 'have a part' in the murders.

Believe me Im only playing devil's advocate, as I think he probably is innocent.

[grahameb]

I agree with you Grahame,,,they based their findings on the lies and altered statements handed to them by the police and relatives. Then folk wonder why there's no respect for the law when this sort of thing goes on.

Lookout, the days have long gone when I used to have respect for the law. I mean I am law abiding and respect the copper on the beat. But I do not respect so called British justice and those who are supposed to administer it. I've seen so many crooked practices and injustices that have been upheld by the courts. I have also seen friends of certain high up police officers go unpunished. I've also seen and known bent coppers.

[mike tesko]

Lookout, the days have long gone when I used to have respect for the law. I mean I am law abiding and respect the copper on the beat. But I do not respect so called British justice and those who are supposed to administer it. I've seen so many crooked practices and injustices that have been upheld by the courts. I have also seen friends of certain high up police officers go unpunished. I've also seen and known bent coppers.

I second that - we all know that the vast majority of police officers are hard working decent trustworthy servants of the public. But there is a small element amongst them that think nothing of bending the rules, manufacturing evidence in the form of verbal and exhibits, and of course, responsible for twisting the words of witnesses when they make their witness statements by a process of question and answer which is not reflected in the completed statement. In general when such police officers fall foul of the law they are sworn to uphold, they very rarely get convicted at court, or sent to prison at all, or if they do they only get small prison sentences, and go to the cushiest jails imaginable with week-end home leave thrown in to boot...

I have experienced it all, and witnessed it for myself, so I know exactly what you are talking about....

[lookout]

Lookout, the days have long gone when I used to have respect for the law. I mean I am law abiding and respect the copper on the beat. But I do not respect so called British justice and those who are supposed to administer it. I've seen so many crooked practices and injustices that have been upheld by the courts. I have also seen friends of certain high up police officers go unpunished. I've also seen and known bent coppers.

I understand what you're saying Grahame,,,and you're right,,,especially when it's been experienced.

[jim ignatowski]

Hi Petey
The "hit - man" theories are quite ridiculous - it's a straight choice between Jeremy and Sheila.

[mike tesko]

There has never been a case quite like it in the history of the British judicial system, where one of the people on trial was deceased? I cannot see how the convictions are deemed to be safe on this basis alone?

[guest154]

Pretending for a moment that a picture of sheila on the bed with 1 bullet wound does exist,
The photo of Sheila with one bullet hole has never been used as evidence, it doesn't have an evidence number, it doesn't have a coallition number with other photo's from the scene, there isn't a photo missing that remains unaccounted for from the polices stand point.

So even if Mike produced the picture right now - nothing would happen. It would be deemed as fake. It's 2012, the brilliance that computers can do can't be ignored.

[mike tesko]

Pretending for a moment that a picture of sheila on the bed with 1 bullet wound does exist,
The photo of Sheila with one bullet hole has never been used as evidence, it doesn't have an evidence number, it doesn't have a coallition number with other photo's from the scene, there isn't a photo missing that remains unaccounted for from the polices stand point.

So even if Mike produced the picture right now - nothing would happen. It would be deemed as fake. It's 2012, the brilliance that computers can do can't be ignored.

Seven photographic negatives are missing which were taken before the ones which show Sheila's body on the floor with two bullet entry wounds to her neck, and the guns barrel in different positions against her throat. The missing  negatives are the ones which show Sheila on the bed with no blood running, leaking and pouring from the corners of her mouth,  which only came about when police moved Sheila's body to the bedroom floor...

[grahameb]

Hi Petey
The "hit - man" theories are quite ridiculous - it's a straight choice between Jeremy and Sheila.

Well you're half right anyway. Mugfords made up story of a "hitman" is rediculous. It's just a pity that they didn't think the same about the rest of her fairy tail.