The key(s) to unlocking Jeremy's cell door

[jim ignatowski]

In my opinion, there are 2 keys to unlocking Jeremy's cell door:
1. The photograph of Sheila on the bed with a single bullet wound.
2. The documents which detail the telephone calls made to and from whf and Jeremy's residence.
Either "key" would suffice.
Mike has both "keys" in his possession.
If Mike would utilise either "key", Jeremy would be a free man and Mike would go down in the history of criminal justice as the person whose dogged determination freed an innocent man from jail after 27 years of wrongful incarceration.
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[mertol22]

The advent of time and a failure to put on the table groundbreaking evidence has acted like a grand seal on jeremy s cell , his chances of release are slim, if there is fresh raw evidence somewhere it needs to be here , not in a few more years but now right now.

[petey]

In my opinion, there are 2 keys to unlocking Jeremy's cell door:
1. The photograph of Sheila on the bed with a single bullet wound.
2. The documents which detail the telephone calls made to and from whf and Jeremy's residence.
Either "key" would suffice.
Mike has both "keys" in his possession.
If Mike would utilise either "key", Jeremy would be a free man and Mike would go down in the history of criminal justice as the person whose dogged determination freed an innocent man from jail after 27 years of wrongful incarceration.
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Whilst I agree that both of these pieces of evidence would be very useful to JB's chances of being released, without having seen either of them we cannot categorically say that the existence of either necessarily makes JB innocent and therefore he will be released.

Although I currently still think JB probably is innocent, people who are convinced of his guilt will still query the evidence.

The existence of phone records may well prove that a call was made from WHF to JB's house. But that in turn does not necessarily make JB innocent. The call could have been made by JB himself!

Equally in terms of the photos, with technology at such an advanced stage these days, there will be arguments that the photo is not an original and / or has been photoshopped /edited etc. Also we do not know the angle of the photo and how clear it is, therefore whether it can be definitively confirmed that Sheila has only one wound or not.

[mertol22]

Whilst I agree that both of these pieces of evidence would be very useful to JB's chances of being released, without having seen either of them we cannot categorically say that the existence of either necessarily makes JB innocent and therefore he will be released.

Although I currently still think JB probably is innocent, people who are convinced of his guilt will still query the evidence.

The existence of phone records may well prove that a call was made from WHF to JB's house. But that in turn does not necessarily make JB innocent. The call could have been made by JB himself!

Equally in terms of the photos, with technology at such an advanced stage these days, there will be arguments that the photo is not an original and / or has been photoshopped /edited etc. Also we do not know the angle of the photo and how clear it is, therefore whether it can be definitively confirmed that Sheila has only one wound or not.

A call from WHF to Goldhanger could only be call if the reciever picked the phone up thus making the connection, JB could not be in 2 places at once unless he had a identical twin .

[petey]

A call from WHF to Goldhanger could only be call if the reciever picked the phone up thus making the connection, JB could not be in 2 places at once unless he had a identical twin .

If it went through to JB's answer machine at Goldhanger, then it would register as a call!

[mike tesko]

Essex police had the means and the opportunity to be able to check to see if any calls were made from the scene (whf) within the relevant cheap rate period between 6pm, on Tuesday, 6th August 1985, and 8am, Wednesday, 7th August 1985. I have already demonstrated that such metered call log records do and did exist, and so it was possible for the police to prove or disprove that such a call was or could have been made from the scene at the material time? Not to be overlooked, is the fact that during the trial judges summing up he told the jury that if they were satisfied that no such call had been made from whf to Jeremy's cottage in the middle of the night, then they could convict him for the murders because in those circumstances it would mean that he had deliberately lied about receiving such a call? Well, that was wrong for the judge to say those things to the jury about the relevance of that call, if for example, police had the metered call log information which proved such a call was and had been made, followed by the activation of the attack alarm which triggered off a resppnse from police at Witham police station...

[mike tesko]

If it went through to JB's answer machine at Goldhanger, then it would register as a call!

Which is / was why police seized the answer phone and tapes once he was arrested and the police had them analysed and checked by their experts to see if it contained evidence that such a call had been made from the scene? If any such evidence had been found on the answer machine, the police would have certainly introduced it as part of the case, but they did not and so one has to assume that no such evidence existed or was found or detected to support such a theory? What seizure of the answer phone and tapes does show, however, is that the police must have been satisfied that a call had been made from the scene to Jeremy's cottage, but that they still thought he could have made the call himself from the scene, but this approach was abandoned once no corroborating evidence was found on the tapes of the answer machine? Furthermore, police knew that Ralph had also called them, and that he had activated the attack alarm, before 3:35am...

The timing when the attack alarm was activated is / was vitally important, since if it was activated from the scene at say 3:33am, how could Jeremy then be at his cottage 9 Head Street three minutes later to make his own call to the police at 3:36am?

[Roch]

In my opinion, there are 2 keys to unlocking Jeremy's cell door:
1. The photograph of Sheila on the bed with a single bullet wound.
2. The documents which detail the telephone calls made to and from whf and Jeremy's residence.
Either "key" would suffice.
Mike has both "keys" in his possession.
If Mike would utilise either "key", Jeremy would be a free man and Mike would go down in the history of criminal justice as the person whose dogged determination freed an innocent man from jail after 27 years of wrongful incarceration.
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Jim, I thought Mike didn't have the 7/8/85 stuff because it is PII? 

[tonyb]

Jim, I thought Mike didn't have the 7/8/85 stuff because it is PII?

But itemissed bills,which are nothing like we have seen off mike at the moment,of the previous months,would prove the availablity of the latter bills.that in turn may prove they were withheld.
The "proof" we have seen re the bills so far IMO is absolute dross. Nice try to encourage the Lemmings though.

[jim ignatowski]

Petey
If the phone logs prove that a call was made from whf to Jeremy's residence at about  03. 15 - 03.30 and also proves that very shortly thereafter (within a few minutes or so) a call was made from Jeremy's residence to the police (or to JM), because Jeremy couldn't have made both calls,  by inference it follows that he is not the murderer!!
By the way, I consider it to be complete bull-shit that the phone logs are the subject of PII - no Judge would make such an Order!!
The level of the detail of the information posted by Mike clearly indicates that he has the phone logs in his possession!!

[Bridget]

But itemissed bills,which are nothing like we have seen off mike at the moment,of the previous months,would prove the availablity of the latter bills.that in turn may prove they were withheld.
The "proof" we have seen re the bills so far IMO is absolute dross. Nice try to encourage the Lemmings though.

I'm glad it's not just me. For the life of me I cannot see what possible use the printouts Mike has sent would have in determining what calls were made. I can't even work out what some of them are.

[mike tesko]

Petey
If the phone logs prove that a call was made from whf to Jeremy's residence at about  03. 15 - 03.30 and also proves that very shortly thereafter (within a few minutes or so) a call was made from Jeremy's residence to the police (or to JM), because Jeremy couldn't have made both calls,  by inference it follows that he is not the murderer!!
By the way, I consider it to be complete bull-shit that the phone logs are the subject of PII - no Judge would make such an Order!!
The level of the detail of the information posted by Mike clearly indicates that he has the phone logs in his possession!!

Yes, phone logs exist, police knew that a call was made from whf (100%) to Jeremy's cottage, they knew that another call was made to the police from Ralph, and that the alarm which was linked up to Witham police station was activated, and they know that Jeremy made a call to Julie Mugford, and then to the police - just for the record there is no actual record in the metered call log that Jeremy tried to call his father back a few times, but this may be because the line was already in use and it was not possible at that time to double log a call to the same phone that was already in use and being billed elsewhere...

[grahameb]

In my opinion, there are 2 keys to unlocking Jeremy's cell door:
1. The photograph of Sheila on the bed with a single bullet wound.
2. The documents which detail the telephone calls made to and from whf and Jeremy's residence.
Either "key" would suffice.
Mike has both "keys" in his possession.
If Mike would utilise either "key", Jeremy would be a free man and Mike would go down in the history of criminal justice as the person whose dogged determination freed an innocent man from jail after 27 years of wrongful incarceration.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

You missed out one. That one of the raid team to come forward and tell the truth.

[mike tesko]

I'm glad it's not just me. For the life of me I cannot see what possible use the printouts Mike has sent would have in determining what calls were made. I can't even work out what some of them are.

You cannot see what possible use the logs I have made available have in showing which calls were made, and when? Well, there's no hope for you then, because it cannot have been put any clearer. But I will try to explain one last time in the hope that it becomes clearer?

What you have are records in the form of metered call logs obtained from WHf, which show the different types of call made from there at different times of day, on different days during March 1985 (commencing from 19th March 1985). There are / were different times of the day when these metered call logs refer to, when calls that are / were charged differently to the customer. Details of the calls, were / are recorded in sequence, and give duration of each call. Three relevant periods during the day and night, headed, Cheap rate, peak rate and standard rate. What this allows the police to do, is find out how many calls were made from whf during the cheap rate period, between 6pm on Tuesday, 6th August 1985, and 8am, on Wednesday, 7th August 1985? For the record, police found out that there were only three calls made from the scene during this cheap rate period, and the activation of the attack alarm. From information provided which gives details of the duration of these logged calls (metered call log records) it enabled the police to determine that the first of these calls was of a considerably long duration which they found out related to a call made from the scene by June Bamber to her sister Pamela Boutflour. This call was followed by a very short call, then a longer call which corresponded to the one made by Ralph to the police at 3:26am, and the activation of the attack alarm - this sequence of events as recorded in the metered call log from whf for that particular day (7th August 1985), satisfied the police that the information contained in that log related to (a) the call from June to Pamela, (b) the call from whf to Jeremy, (c) the call from Ralph to the police, and (d) the activation of the attack alarm which sent police scurrying to the scene at 3:35am (before Jeremy made his own call from 9 head street to the police a minute later)...

Sequence of events as recorded in the metered call log at whf during the relevant (aforementioned cheap rate period) being:-

(1) - call by June to Pamela (10pm) - Tuesday, 6th August 1985
(2) - call made from whf to Jeremy's cottage - Wednesday, 7th August 1985
(3) - call made by Ralph to police (3:26am) - Wednesday 7th August 1985
(4) - activation of attack alarm from scene received at Witham police station (3:33am) - Wednesday, 7th August 1985...

Police were able to obtain a similar metered call log record relating to the telephone records at Jeremys cottage (9 Head Street, Goldhanger), for the same relevant period, between 6pm on Tuesday, 6th August 1985, and 8am, on Wednesday, 7th August 1985, as follows:-

(1) - call by Jeremy to Julie Mugford - Tuesday, 6th August 1985
(2) - call by Jeremy to Julie Mugford  (about 3:30am) - Wednesday, 7th August 1985
(3) - call made by Jeremy to the police (3:36am) - Wednesday, 7th August 1985...

The details recorded on / in the metered call logs shows the duration of each call made, in the sequence the metered calls were made, information which the police were satisfied related to the calls listed here...

Nothing could be any clearer, or simpler...

[Bridget]

Thanks for the explanation Mike but what you have sent doesn't show any of that at all. For a start, the things you sent are from the March previous to the murders. 3 pages of it appears to be hand written lists of calls (many to the hospital in Northampton), but who wrote those, what are they? None of the information contained in the hand written lists can be found on the two actual printouts that were also provided. The printout from Jeremy's cottage only shows the NZ / Aus calls in detail, and the other printout only shows something on the 29th April relating to somewhere in Berkshire, but it's not even clear that it's a call since there is no phone number shown, no call duration, and no indication of the rate charged. Oh and it doesn't say what year it's from.