Body of Ralph Bamber was stage managed before police took photographs...

[Steve_uk]

Mike could we have the photos posted under the "Police trapped in kitchen for 15 minutes" thread posted again,especially the one with the silhouette of Ralph(Nevill) with words that are possible to read?

[mike tesko]

You do not set about stage managing the scene in the kitchen unless you are trying to hide or cover something up, in my opinion...

This cover up started from a very early stage (within the first couple of hours of the bodies being found inside the farmhouse), and revolved around the original discovery of two bodies downstairs / three bodies upstairs, which turned into one body downstairs and four bodies upstairs - and the fact that police shot Sheila under the chin, during the movement and repositioning of the body / gun. It must follow that the displacement of a female body from downstairs to upstairs, was / is linked to the circumstances of how police ended up shooting Sheila...

[mike tesko]

You do not set about stage managing the scene in the kitchen unless you are trying to hide or cover something up, in my opinion...

This cover up started from a very early stage (within the first couple of hours of the bodies being found inside the farmhouse), and revolved around the original discovery of two bodies downstairs / three bodies upstairs, which turned into one body downstairs and four bodies upstairs - and the fact that police shot Sheila under the chin, during the movement and repositioning of the body / gun. It must follow that the displacement of a female body from downstairs to upstairs, was / is linked to the circumstances of how police ended up shooting Sheila...

The undisclosed police officers report (1612) about the shooting incident in the kitchen, is also linked to the discovery of Sheila's body downstairs in the kitchen...

[Bridget]

[mike tesko]

Mike could we have the photos posted under the "Police trapped in kitchen for 15 minutes" thread posted again,especially the one with the silhouette of Ralph(Nevill) with words that are possible to read?

These:-

(1) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4075;image
(2) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=18680;image
(3) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4077;image
(4) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=18681;image
(5) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=18682;image
(6) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4080;image
(7) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4081;image
(8) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=18683;image
(9) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4086;image
(10) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4090;image
(11) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4527;image
(12) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4528;image
(13) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=18688;image
(14) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=18689;image
(15) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=18690;image
(16) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=18691;image
(17) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=18692;image
(18) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=18693;image
(19) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=7295;image
(20) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=18733;image
(21) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=18734;image

[mike tesko]

I wonder why no-one has ever questioned why there was no blood found on the kitchen table, or upon any utensil or sundry item upon it, or the floor in that part of the kitchen?

[mike tesko]

I wonder why no-one has ever questioned why there was no blood found on the kitchen table, or upon any utensil or sundry item upon it, or the floor in that part of the kitchen?

You see, I don't get how there could have been a struggle with a badly wounded Ralph Bamber, and kitchen table gets knocked over, or otherwise, and utensils and sundry items get knocked about all over the place, and there is not a spot of blood on any of it, and more importantly, no such blood splashes or drips of blood to indicate that Ralph was / had been injured whilst such a struggle took place in the immediate vicinity of the kitchen mantle, where the mantle itself supposedly got scratched by the silencer fitted to the guns barrel, whilst Ralph had already been shot four times?

I don't buy the story about Ralph already having been shot up to four times before the struggle in the kitchen commenced, I don't buy into that scenario because there is a marked absence of any corresponding blood upon the kitchen table, any of the utensils or sundry items, or upon the floor / carpet in that immediate vicinity where all this activity allegedly took place or occurred...

[Patti]

Hi Mike

Scott Lomax says in his book that the white towel is actually a white tea shirt. Also he says the towel and tea shirt is placed over the blood as were the cushions. I have a thought on the cushions....but I would rather not say at this stage...

[mike tesko]

Imagine for one moment, picture in your minds eye, a badly wounded Ralph Bamber, shot up to four times already, blood dripping, running, splashing all over the place during the occasion when he supposedly struggled with the person who killed him. Kitchen table and contents knocked over, end of imaginary silencer coming into contact with the aga surround, and yet not even one microscopic drop or drip of his blood found its way upon anything in that part of the kitchen?

[Patti]

You see, I don't get how there could have been a struggle with a badly wounded Ralph Bamber, and kitchen table gets knocked over, or otherwise, and utensils and sundry items get knocked about all over the place, and there is not a spot of blood on any of it, and more importantly, no such blood splashes or drips of blood to indicate that Ralph was / had been injured whilst such a struggle took place in the immediate vicinity of the kitchen mantle, where the mantle itself supposedly got scratched by the silencer fitted to the guns barrel, whilst Ralph had already been shot four times?

I don't buy the story about Ralph already having been shot up to four times before the struggle in the kitchen commenced, I don't buy into that scenario because there is a marked absence of any corresponding blood upon the kitchen table, any of the utensils or sundry items, or upon the floor / carpet in that immediate vicinity where all this activity allegedly took place or occurred...

Mike Nevill had been shot 8 times. Only 3 shell cases are in the kitchen area and extra shell case found in the main bedroom assuming he was shot times there once on the landing and once in shoulder on the stairs....the later confirms this because it was a downward shot...

[mike tesko]

Mike Nevill had been shot 8 times. Only 3 shell cases are in the kitchen area and extra shell case found in the main bedroom assuming he was shot times there once on the landing and once in shoulder on the stairs....the later confirms this because it was a downward shot...

PI "Bob" Miller, instructed DC Hammersley to vacate the original four exhibits bearing the exhibit labels, DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3 and DRH/4, so that four bullet cases could be introduced into the main bedroom scenario, so I would suggest in the very strongest possible terms that at least four bullet cases which have inadvertently placed amongst the main bedroom totals are dodgy, and should be treated with skeptism. If you deduct these four cases from the 12 found in the bedroom, it leaves only 8. There was another bullet case found on the landing, and another one found on the stair (which police are saying was probably carried there upon the tread of a policeman's boot as a result of walking through the crime scene...

June Bamber was shot seven times in the main bedroom - this would leave only one more bullet case, and this corresponds to the fatal shot under Sheila's chin (in my opinion)...

[mike tesko]

PI "Bob" Miller, instructed DC Hammersley to vacate the original four exhibits bearing the exhibit labels, DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3 and DRH/4, so that four bullet cases could be introduced into the main bedroom scenario, so I would suggest in the very strongest possible terms that at least four bullet cases which have inadvertently placed amongst the main bedroom totals are dodgy, and should be treated with skeptism. If you deduct these four cases from the 12 found in the bedroom, it leaves only 8. There was another bullet case found on the landing, and another one found on the stair (which police are saying was probably carried there upon the tread of a policeman's boot as a result of walking through the crime scene...

June Bamber was shot seven times in the main bedroom - this would leave only one more bullet case, and this corresponds to the fatal shot under Sheila's chin (in my opinion)...

June Bamber - 1
June Bamber - 2
June Bamber - 3
June Bamber - 4
June Bamber - 5
June Bamber - 6
June Bamber - 7
Sheila Caffell - 1

8 Bullet cases found in main bedroom, before four additional bullet cases were added into the equation upon the instruction of Pi "Bob" Miller...

[mike tesko]

June Bamber - 1
June Bamber - 2
June Bamber - 3
June Bamber - 4
June Bamber - 5
June Bamber - 6
June Bamber - 7
Sheila Caffell - 1

8 Bullet cases found in main bedroom, before four additional bullet cases were added into the equation upon the instruction of Pi "Bob" Miller...

Four bullet cases have been added to the bedroom scenario by and under the instruction of PI "Bob" Miller, after the nature of the case changed from SC/688/85 to SC/786/85...

[Steve_uk]

Just explain again your scenario Mike. Picture 14 suggests a hand grasping the side of the kitchen worktop,and blood on the floor near the telephone,yet we have to account for a telephone call made by Ralph(Nevill). Could you also explain the area on photo 18-is it an alcove to the kitchen where Jeremy laid the rifle the previous evening? Could you also explain this chair propped up against the kitchen door-is there only one egress from the kitchen or is the back door to the house the kitchen door leading onto the garden,with another door in the kitchen leading up one of the staircases?

[mike tesko]

Just explain again your scenario Mike. Picture 14 suggests a hand grasping the side of the kitchen worktop,and blood on the floor near the telephone,yet we have to account for a telephone call made by Ralph(Nevill).

Bloodied fingerprints on the edge of kitchen worktop were / are from Ralph Bambers left hand, and blood on the floor is related to this injury. If Ralph was already injured when he made the call to Jeremy's cottage, he must have picked up and used the telephone with the fingers of his uninjured right hand. However, the bullet wound injury to Ralph's left arm could have taken place or occurred after Ralph had called Jeremy and the police, or even before Ralph activated the attack alarm. Either way, this gives a perfectly reasonable explanation for why there was no blood found on the telephone ( I would strongly suggest)...