Television documentary material

[Hartley]

I do not agree I am sure everyone is interested in British Justice and if it is fair can I jog your memory guildford 4, Birmingham 6, Barry George,  Colin Stagg I suppose you want to bring back hanging don't worry about the odd mistake

Errrm okay? Why bring up things which I haven't stated or suggested or well, anything really? 

[Pete0001]

1) I don't think the police release ALL the evidence they have in any case. Regardless of verdict and that's because alot of the evidence is meaningless, just things gathered during an enquiry. (I'm not saying that's the case hear.. but within those thousands of documents there will be documents on vehicle lisence checks, house insurance, life insurance, previous employment checks.. all sorts of things that bare not relevance.)

2) I do think alot of the evidence that keeps getting thrown around here does nothing for proving he's innocent.. it just shows Police errors which don't make the conviction unsafe in a lot of instances.

I think there is an element of getting out on a technicallity as there really isn't the evidence to prove his innocence.

[Hartley]

If he is released then it needs to be down to evidence and nothing else. At this moment it time until proven otherwise you have to consider the possibility that he committed the crime.

Stating that it's a miscarriage of justice etc, etc, etc without anything to support that view is ridiculous.

Yes there is this purported withheld evidence, but who is to say that it only reaffirms his guilt rather than prove his innocence?

[Jackiepreece]

what possible reason would the photographs be witheld

[SUMMER]

I too, would like to see all the photographs and documents that
the Police are holding onto, out in the open for all to see.
When a person is in Prison for life it is the least that the Police
could do to  prove to us once and for all that the verdict was just
and not a botched piece of Police work.
Surely the Police must be fed up with all the speculation from the
Public that this verdict may be unsafe?
Goodness knows they have destroyed, or allowed to be destroyed nearly
everything else that was physically linked to this case!

[Pete0001]

what possible reason would the photographs be witheld

No idea, I haven't seen them.

I take it you've lobbied your MP etc regarding this matter?

[Pete0001]

I too, would like to see all the photographs and documents that
the Police are holding onto, out in the open for all to see.
When a person is in Prison for life it is the least that the Police
could do to  prove to us once and for all that the verdict was just
and not a botched piece of Police work.
Surely the Police must be fed up with all the speculation from the
Public that this verdict may be unsafe?
Goodness knows they have destroyed, or allowed to be destroyed nearly
everything else that was physically linked to this case!

There is the problem I guess. The Police think they have done the job they needed to do to get the conviction. They have not been forced to hand over this file and until they are forced to they will see no need to offer it up as they are not on trial.... yet!
Obviously they are worried about the contents. If the investigation that the public have seen is anything to go by then they know their in for a right slating/disciplinary....

I wonder if the file will be made ore accessible when certain important people retire? (I've no idea who.. but sometimes its easier to place blame, have a scapegoat etc when the officers/chiefs in general are no longer in a position to answer.) Just a thought.

[jon]

what possible reason would the photographs be witheld

Also their notebooks to be ESDA tested ! Another thing they refuse to do !

[Pete0001]

If he is released then it needs to be down to evidence and nothing else. At this moment it time until proven otherwise you have to consider the possibility that he committed the crime.

Stating that it's a miscarriage of justice etc, etc, etc without anything to support that view is ridiculous.

Yes there is this purported withheld evidence, but who is to say that it only reaffirms his guilt rather than prove his innocence?

Because if it pointed to his guilt the police would release the specific documents/photos that have been requested but withheld and put an end to it. But they haven't.

But rightly of wrongly the Police need to prove nothing at the moment! He is in prison serving the sentence for the crime they charged him with.

[andrea]

I do not agree I am sure everyone is interested in British Justice and if it is fair can I jog your memory guildford 4, Birmingham 6, Barry George,  Colin Stagg I suppose you want to bring back hanging don't worry about the odd mistake

not to mention the carl bridgewater case, stefan kiszco (locked up for yrs and yrs for a child murder he didnt commit) and died soon after released.

[Pete0001]

I do not agree I am sure everyone is interested in British Justice and if it is fair can I jog your memory guildford 4, Birmingham 6, Barry George,  Colin Stagg I suppose you want to bring back hanging don't worry about the odd mistake

It's posts like this that stop some people wanting to be involved in discussion. Who are you suggesting wants to bring back hanging??? Because some people on this thread choose to question things put to them they are now labeled as pro death penalty?

[bb2010]

I do not agree I am sure everyone is interested in British Justice and if it is fair can I jog your memory guildford 4, Birmingham 6, Barry George,  Colin Stagg I suppose you want to bring back hanging don't worry about the odd mistake

It's posts like this that stop some people wanting to be involved in discussion. Who are you suggesting wants to bring back hanging??? Because some people on this thread choose to question things put to them they are now labeled as pro death penalty?

+1 Pete

[Sparkfilms]

Information held from the public in a murder trial.

Here are a couple of things that came up when I was working on The Suffolk Murders case ( Steve Wright ).

A gentleman who claimed that he saw someone other than Steve Wright parked in his car by one of the murder deposition sites.

The unusual aspect being that who he saw was not parked in a layby, there was one a short distance away.

The gentleman was driving a 'people carrier' which was high enough to enable him to see what he described as a blanket in the back seat of ******* **** appeared to be covering something large.

This occured at 13.50 hours.

Police later released information that the body of one of the girls may have been dumped in broad daylight.

This particular body was left a few metres away from where the car was parked and was just 'dropped'.

Another body - left at a deposition site nearby was laid out in such a way that it resembled a piece of Dada art by Max Ernst.

What was not known to the public at the time ( or even now ) was that an image of the piece of Dada art was found at the home of the owner of the car ******* ****.

Another body had also been laid out in identical fashion.

I know that the police thought the owner of the ******* **** was their man.

When the DNA results came back the head of the investigation actually said 'It's not who we thought it was going to be'. I know all this as I worked on the documentary that went out on Channel 4, and Stewart Gull actually repeated this for the television programme.

Had the defence have been in possession of some of the information that was witheld they may have changed their direction.

I can see now that the police / CPS did not want to cloud the issue, and as with the WHF murders, a huge number of files were effectively witheld, once again, the case file ran to millions of pages.

[mb1]

Information held from the public in a murder trial.

Here are a couple of things that came up when I was working on The Suffolk Murders case ( Steve Wright ).

A gentleman who claimed that he saw someone other than Steve Wright parked in his car by one of the murder deposition sites.

The unusual aspect being that who he saw was not parked in a layby, there was one a short distance away.

The gentleman was driving a 'people carrier' which was high enough to enable him to see what he described as a blanket in the back seat of ******* **** appeared to be covering something large.

This occured at 13.50 hours.

Police later released information that the body of one of the girls may have been dumped in broad daylight.

This particular body was left a few metres away from where the car was parked and was just 'dropped'.

Another body - left at a deposition site nearby was laid out in such a way that it resembled a piece of Dada art by Max Ernst.

What was not known to the public at the time ( or even now ) was that an image of the piece of Dada art was found at the home of the owner of the car ******* ****.

Another body had also been laid out in identical fashion.

I know that the police thought the owner of the ******* **** was their man.

When the DNA results came back the head of the investigation actually said 'It's not who we thought it was going to be'. I know all this as I worked on the documentary that went out on Channel 4, and Stewart Gull actually repeated this for the television programme.

Had the defence have been in possession of some of the information that was witheld they may have changed their direction.

I can see now that the police / CPS did not want to cloud the issue, and as with the WHF murders, a huge number of files were effectively witheld, once again, the case file ran to millions of pages.

And if pii didn't exist, this would all be in the public domain, placing a cloud of suspicion of a man never charged with anything... unless you're saying he did it but was a freemason so the dna results are a frame up.

 

[Kaldin]

I don't get this PII thing. Has it actually been said that evidence is being withheld because of it, or is that just speculation?