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[Kaldin]

Some locals used to remind us that the landing strips would have been similar to the ones that Neville Bamber - who was a former R.A.F. pilot would have been capable of landing on himself - which leads to the question of who may or may not have been putting him under pressure at the time ( Neville's conversations with secretary etc ).

Neville Bamber believed his life to be under threat for some reason.

What conversations with his secretary? I seem to have missed something.

[Sparkfilms]

I get occasional info from former criminals in Jaywick, most of them in 'retirement' and in their 70's. In their time they were major league players and certainly would have had dealings with the Krays. One of them phoned me about the Bamber thing some time ago but there was no mention of any big money being owed. That is not to say some kind of operation may not have been going down.

It is true that quick cash seems to have been raised by Jeremy from furniture / paintings and other items that were taken from White House Farm, yet having said that, I did the same when my mother died a few years ago.

[Jackiepreece]

Are people now trying to imply Jeremy killed his family over a drugs debt or that a hit man killed the family so Jeremy collected money to pay debts I think if we bring that complication into the case Jeremy will never get his retrial at this late date and remember horseydave said he did not think Jeremy murdered the family.
When I try to look at all aspects of this case I have tried to read as much about Jeremy and most of the people who knew him don't think he carried out the murders and I even read some stuff that there was some favouritism to him in prison this makes me think that maybe even the people who lock him up maybe think he is innocent. People who have worked in the prison service for a long time must have a good judgement about who might be innocent or guilty and Jeremy took a massive risk taking the lie detector test (one of the most experienced testers in the country)

[Sparkfilms]

For Kaldin.

Neville confided in his secretary - he told her of a dark threat hanging over him. I don't think anyone, including the secretary quite understood what he meant by this.

It might even have a connection to his days in the forces.

The R.A F. days certainly came back to haunt some of those close to Neville, but that's a whole different story, and I doubt it has any kind of connection to WHF.

I will stick with three possible shooters, Jeremy, Shelia and McDonald.

What I would say though is that people with land, guns and outbuildings sometimes get involved in other business ventures. I can state with certainty that my research for material for my books and TV work has taken me into some extraordinary places in Essex and Suffolk in the last 10 years.

[Kaldin]

For Kaldin.

Neville confided in his secretary - he told her of a dark threat hanging over him. I don't think anyone, including the secretary quite understood what he meant by this.

It might even have a connection to his days in the forces.

The R.A F. days certainly came back to haunt some of those close to Neville, but that's a whole different story, and I doubt it has any kind of connection to WHF.

I will stick with three possible shooters, Jeremy, Shelia and McDonald.

What I would say though is that people with land, guns and outbuildings sometimes get involved in other business ventures. I can state with certainty that my research for material for my books and TV work has taken me into some extraordinary places in Essex and Suffolk in the last 10 years.

Interesting - thanks.

I hadn't heard any of that stuff about a dark threat.  I said earlier that events leading up to the murders should be examined because murder doesn't usually happen out of the blue, but there's not much info out there. It might be an event or comment by someone which seems insignificant but could actually be important.

[Kaldin]

A car accident involving Jeremy which happened in November 1984 was mentioned somewhere. PC Saxby knew Jeremy because of that accident. Any info on that?

[Sparkfilms]

It might be worth my mentioning that I have worked on the McCann case for a national newspaper and the Suffolk Serial Murders for Sky News with Martin Brunt.

I am no expert, just a smalltime writer and film producer who pretty much lives hand to mouth. And yet, despite this, I do get the occasional commissions from press and tv.

Most of the stuff I work on is local, and that usually means that for the price of a breakfast in a cafe in Ipswich or somewhere I can get information that might not be available to the mainliners in media.

Having said this, and like many of those who contribute to this forum, I have to put in a many hours in the pursuit of information and most of the time one comes to a dead end - I did get some information from Portugal through to Leicestershire Police that just had to be acted on though.

I was interviewed in my Colchester home a month ago for 4 hours by the BBC. They were interested in my 'interview techniques' - it's a good job I'm for real as the BBC got on to Suffolk Constabulary the next day to verify my work. The police at least acknowleged my existence!

The police have been pretty fair with me most of the time. They were decent enough to give me assistance with my latest book - even though I was critical of some of their work in the Suffolk Murders.

Although the police work at WHF was quite appalling, I do not believe that they set up Jeremy Bamber in any way. As far as I see it the turning point in this case was the silencer. I'm not even sure if it was the intention of the relatives to frame Jeremy but everything changed when the silencer became the focal issue. I'm not ever sure if a silencer was used, certainly if Shelia did the shootings it would not have been.

Cross contamination could explain the minute trace of blood attributed to Shelia. 

[Kaldin]

It might be worth my mentioning that I have worked on the McCann case for a national newspaper and the Suffolk Serial Murders for Sky News with Martin Brunt.

I am no expert, just a smalltime writer and film producer who pretty much lives hand to mouth. And yet, despite this, I do get the occasional commissions from press and tv.

Most of the stuff I work on is local, and that usually means that for the price of a breakfast in a cafe in Ipswich or somewhere I can get information that might not be available to the mainliners in media.

Having said this, and like many of those who contribute to this forum, I have to put in a many hours in the pursuit of information and most of the time one comes to a dead end - I did get some information from Portugal through to Leicestershire Police that just had to be acted on though.

I was interviewed in my Colchester home a month ago for 4 hours by the BBC. They were interested in my 'interview techniques' - it's a good job I'm for real as the BBC got on to Suffolk Constabulary the next day to verify my work. The police at least acknowleged my existence!

The police have been pretty fair with me most of the time. They were decent enough to give me assistance with my latest book - even though I was critical of some of their work in the Suffolk Murders.

Although the police work at WHF was quite appalling, I do not believe that they set up Jeremy Bamber in any way. As far as I see it the turning point in this case was the silencer. I'm not even sure if it was the intention of the relatives to frame Jeremy but everything changed when the silencer became the focal issue. I'm not ever sure if a silencer was used, certainly if Shelia did the shootings it would not have been.

Cross contamination could explain the minute trace of blood attributed to Shelia.

Sounds like you have an interesting job.  :D

Re the silencer, it wasn't a minute trace of blood, and there was enough blood on the outside of the silencer for the relatives to notice it immediately after they found it.

[Jackiepreece]

To spark films
So what is your opinion right now do you think it's likely Jeremy carried out the murders and do you think he should have been found guilty and do you think he should die in prison.  Also what is your opinion on lie detector tests and do you believe in them. If you are not happy with the above you sound an ideal person to make some sort of film to find out answers we don't know yet

[Sparkfilms]

For Jackie,

I would like to see Jeremy Bamber released from prison tonight! Guilty or innocent!

Either way, he has been cheated by the system.

Lie detector tests are for another Jeremy to earn his living with, but nevertheless, credit to Jeremy Bamber for taking - lie detectors are similar to extracting information via hypnosis ( another Essex murder was 'solved' by this method ) but could not be processed through courts.

The case I touch on re. 'Hypnotics' actually managed to get most of a number plate at a body deposition site. CPS and those in control can't work with this stuff. What a shame. The killer walked free, I think the police knew he did it.

I got inside information re. Huntley from Cambs Police - they used a form of entrapment to nail him - they wired his father's house when they were out - very clever and very slick work. Some modern police work is very impressive.

I'm in the middle of a film at the moment, so I'm tied up with that, and to be brutally honest, this case is too big for me to do it justice. I did recomment Darlow Smithson Production on another thread as a possible avenue. 'Tricksy' also identified a unit up in Bolton who have already made a programme for possible  screening soon.

[Jackiepreece]

I really wish you were in a position to do something about this case because public opinion might be the only thing that gets Jeremy out of prison. Have you written to him or would you write to him?

[Sparkfilms]

I've had no contact with Mr Bamber.

There are enough very decent and loyal people on his side already, but you are correct about public opinion.

The Guardian have done some very good reporting on this case recently. You can't do any better in the British press than these guys, and unlike some newspapers they tend to print what they believe to be true.

[Jackiepreece]

But one person the right person might find some answers that no one else has I just wish I knew the thoughts of the jurors since 1986 I still havnt found out if jurors are allowed to talk about the case after the verdict.

[Pete0001]

Let's not forget JB was shown to be a liar and thief as well over his dealings with the Caravan Site. So, do we assume everything he's done or said since is false and motivated by greed?

A character assination of JM (who isn't here to defend herself) won't free JB. PROVING she lied would.

This is a very good point and one that is over looked I think.
JM is being labelled all sorts of things on threads on this site... druggy, thief, sleeps around etc... Jeremy by all accounts is guilty of exactly the same allagations.
Everything JM said before the trial and after that fingers Jeremy we are told is said by a druggy, thief and lier... where as Jeremy is being straight up and honest with everything he is saying?

My point is that they appeared to be cut from the same cloth so to speak... so labelling one as untrust worthy due to their background must apply to the other... in my opinion.

[Pete0001]

I have read a lot of documents but certain subjects like the moderator I don't think I am knowledgable enough to make important comments but I really wanted to say that as I understand Jeremy would be happy to get a retrial he is not even asking for an instant release for an unsafe verdict and as we are talking about someone with a whole life tariff (to die in prison) for the sake of British Justice this case has to be looked at again. I truly believe the majority of the British public would also welcome a retrial. As I understand Jeremy is the only one of the prisoners with a whole life tariff that says he is innocent. Also is it true that if you continually protest your innocence in prison it can affect different aspects of how you are treated in prison.

I welcome a retrial... but over the last couple of weeks I've become unsure as to whether their looking for release due to evidence that shows him innocent or released on a technicality.
We've seen alot of evidence come forward that shows things were done terribly badly.. but not alot of evidence that PROVES WITHOUT A DOUBT he didn't do it.

Getting out on a technicality doesn't prove anything other than the Police screwed up.. which we already know.

Just a thought.