Television documentary material

[Jackiepreece]

It was a long time since my jury service but as far as I can remember there were no restrictions on the jury speaking about the case after the trial just while the trial was going on. Now since reading a lot about this case i have realised we never read much
about what the jury think afterwards.  Does anyone have any idea maybe someone from the media could tell me

[mb1]

Thought jurors cannot divulge anything that happens in the jury room, nor identify fellow jurors, unless it becomes a matter of court i.e. a jury nobbling case etc.

In England and Wales they cannot make financial gain (i.e. selling their story) from serving on a jury.

[Jackiepreece]

You say you think that is the case but does anyone else know if that is definitely the case and could any of the jurors speak about the verdict if they were not being paid. When I was on my jury service I clearly remember the lady who sat next to me had made up her mind from day one that the person on trial was guilty because of the way he looked with shaved head and earrings. There was also some police evidence in question when we went out to deliberate and a few jurors stated the police don't lie do they? I remember thinking I hope I am never tried by a jury for murder and I do feel maybe the jury in Jeremy's case mistook arrogance for something else.  I do know that if I had been a jury member on Jeremy's case I could not have found him guilty on circumstantial evidence

[Kaldin]

You say you think that is the case but does anyone else know if that is definitely the case and could any of the jurors speak about the verdict if they were not being paid. When I was on my jury service I clearly remember the lady who sat next to me had made up her mind from day one that the person on trial was guilty because of the way he looked with shaved head and earrings. There was also some police evidence in question when we went out to deliberate and a few jurors stated the police don't lie do they? I remember thinking I hope I am never tried by a jury for murder and I do feel maybe the jury in Jeremy's case mistook arrogance for something else.  I do know that if I had been a jury member on Jeremy's case I could not have found him guilty on circumstantial evidence

Don't forget that at the time the prosecution put forward a compelling argument that the blood in the silencer was Sheila's. They conceded that there was a "remote" chance it wasn't, but the jury must surely have been influenced by that a lot. Sheila couldn't kill herself and put the silencer back in the cupboard.

The other issue was Julie Mugford. Perhaps she came over as quite credible at the trial.

[Jackiepreece]

With regard to the part Jeremy's girlfriend Julie played in getting him found guilty I can't believe the jury found him guilty with her track record of lies in the past. The prosecution must have had an amazing barrister. There is a girl in our local pub whose boyfriend started to see someone else so she reported the girl to the police for drink driving when she left the pub and the girl was prosecuted.  It didn't end there because the girl started driving again although she was banned.  The jealous girlfriend reported her to the police and the girl was sentenced to three months in prison.  What is that saying hell hath no fury like a women scorned

[Kaldin]

With regard to the part Jeremy's girlfriend Julie played in getting him found guilty I can't believe the jury found him guilty with her track record of lies in the past. The prosecution must have had an amazing barrister. There is a girl in our local pub whose boyfriend started to see someone else so she reported the girl to the police for drink driving when she left the pub and the girl was prosecuted.  It didn't end there because the girl started driving again although she was banned.  The jealous girlfriend reported her to the police and the girl was sentenced to three months in prison.  What is that saying hell hath no fury like a women scorned

Perhaps the prosecution did have an amazing barrister, or perhaps the defence barrister didn't cross examine Julie very thoroughly. I haven't seen a transcript of that part of the trial.

[Jackiepreece]

Julie mugford took £25,000 of a national newspaper and ran off for a new life in Canada (what is the current value of £25,000 today) I wonder how much it would take to get her to take a lie detector today?  I am just trying to chip away to get some answers and the truth. 

[andrea]

i often wonder who reads or posts on this forum. i believe jeremy has offered a million pound reward for information that will lead to his conviction being overturned. wikileaks could be one route to get information out there.

[mb1]

With regard to the part Jeremy's girlfriend Julie played in getting him found guilty I can't believe the jury found him guilty with her track record of lies in the past. The prosecution must have had an amazing barrister. There is a girl in our local pub whose boyfriend started to see someone else so she reported the girl to the police for drink driving when she left the pub and the girl was prosecuted.  It didn't end there because the girl started driving again although she was banned.  The jealous girlfriend reported her to the police and the girl was sentenced to three months in prison.  What is that saying hell hath no fury like a women scorned

I agree with your concerns over JM's role in this. But to rescind her statement would be admitting to perjury and certain imprisonment in this case - if she could be extradited from Canada.

However, if the girl in the pub was drink-driving and carried on regardless, prison seems appropriate to me, however jealous the ex may have been.

Witnesses like JM who have a history of lying and stealing are subject to the scrutiny of the barristers and judge and jury. People like her are very often torn apart by the professionals, so she must have stood up well to cross examination. She has gone on to have a successful life as a Head Teacher.

Let's not forget JB was shown to be a liar and thief as well over his dealings with the Caravan Site. So, do we assume everything he's done or said since is false and motivated by greed?

A character assination of JM (who isn't here to defend herself) won't free JB. PROVING she lied would.

[Jackiepreece]

With regard to the girl in the pub i agree that the girl should have been prosecuted but i meant to add the jealous girl in the pub actually went to considerable lengths to have the girl caught by the police following her on many occasions to see what route she took home not just informing the police. Julie mugford the headteacher and also the girl that carried on seeing Jeremy before the killings and after the killings.  This good upstanding citizen could maybe have stopped the murders couldnt she.  She stood at that funeral next to Colin caffell knowing that Jeremy planned to kill the family and she hadn't told anyone look at her face in those photographs what do you see

[Kaldin]

With regard to the girl in the pub i agree that the girl should have been prosecuted but i meant to add the jealous girl in the pub actually went to considerable lengths to have the girl caught by the police following her on many occasions to see what route she took home not just informing the police. Julie mugford the headteacher and also the girl that carried on seeing Jeremy before the killings and after the killings.  This good upstanding citizen could maybe have stopped the murders couldnt she.  She stood at that funeral next to Colin caffell knowing that Jeremy planned to kill the family and she hadn't told anyone look at her face in those photographs what do you see

There's one thing that struck me when I looked at the photos of the funeral. It's been said that Jeremy was play acting and pretending to be upset. Well look at Julie. She's wearing a hat with a net veil which she must surely have got just for the funeral. I don't know anyone who wears that kind of thing at a funeral or has something like that in their wardrobe. I think they were both playing up to the media a bit there.

[andrea]

when questioned in court julie mugford continualy broke down and sobbed when questioned by the defence, making it impossible for them to cross examine her properly as she had to keep stopping to try compose her self.however, when questioned by the prosecution she remarkably gained composure and kept it throughout their questioning.She made it more than difficult for the defence.

[Kaldin]

when questioned in court julie mugford continualy broke down and sobbed when questioned by the defence, making it impossible for them to cross examine her properly as she had to keep stopping to try compose her self.however, when questioned by the prosecution she remarkably gained composure and kept it throughout their questioning.She made it more than difficult for the defence.

I presume the defence was tougher on her though, so it's natural that she would be upset when being cross-examined.

[Jackiepreece]

How soon did Julie mugford sell her story after the trial and is it likely she did the deal with the newspaper before the trial. I suppose the jury had no idea she was going to sell her story.  I live in Brentwood 20 minutes from Chelmsford crown court so it is likely that someone who was on that jury lives close to me so I am pleading with anyone on that jury either the ones who thought Jeremy was innocent or guilty to leave an anonymous post as to how they feel with what has come out since the trial.  It is  just not fair that anyone in any jury could make the wrong decision because of a bungling police investigation or withholding of evidence.

[Tricksy]

I'm not sure if Jeremy has anyone in mind to produce a possible case documentary in the future.

I worked alongside Darlow Smithson a couple of years ago on the Channel 4 docu 'Killer in a Small Town' ( Suffolk Serial Murders ). Darlow Smithson are a leading television / film production company in the UK ( though recently absorbed into the Endemol empire ).

I feel the power of television and a 75 / 90 minute production could make a very big difference as things stand.

John Smithson is the man to contact via Endemol / Darlow.

If anyone could do this case justice and give the British public an up to date overview of proceedings ( present and past ) then these guys should certainly be considered.

For all we know, public opinion may even influence the CCRC.

Just a thought.

I just wanted to say that I thought that "Killer In A Small Town" was a really good documentary, Spark Films. I thought that the subject matter and the girls relatives were handled in a sensitive manner, without soft soaping the realities of the worlds of hard drugs and prostitution.

I think that a documentary on this case is a very good idea. It would hopefully raise awareness about the case and keep Jeremy's attempts at appeal in the public eye.