Phone call to police

[maggie]

Hi mags  in the little Yorkshire village where I was brought you we had a church a few yards from the house which had a clock on the steeple so when we wanted to know the time we just opened the door and looked out.  When it was dark my Dad had to nip to the local pub to get the time

That's a good one Susie. He had his priorities right!

[mike tesko]

Hi Mike  I don,t think Ralph was wearing his watch I think he left it on the kitchen table before retiring I don,t think it was the norm for men to go to bed wearing a watch or indeed women.

I was thinking that myself...

Which arm did he wear his watch on? The injured arm, or the other one that he may have handled the telephone with?

[Neil]

All evidence points to Sheila and all officers on the soc that day thought so. These were all experienced police officers and it was their observation that all evidence pointed to Sheila. Rather no forensic evidence points to Jeremy. That is the point that should be emphasised. But the way Andrea used to think that Jeremy was innocent until she became involved secretly with horsey dave of the BGB.

Good post Grahame.  These officers also had the unique advantage of seeing the crime scene before everything was disturbed.  From what I understand, the unanimous view of these officers, was that it was murders/suicide. 

[mike tesko]

No Jon, that was showing that Mike was telling lies on a particular issue.

Why so obsessed with me? You know my views on the case, so what what do you want from me?

That's rhetorical by the way, I'm not intrested in your rudeness and goading, sorry. 

I don't tell lies, you invent them...

[Steve_uk]

Good post Grahame.  These officers also had the unique advantage of seeing the crime scene before everything was disturbed.  From what I understand, the unanimous view of these officers, was that it was murders/suicide.

It was not unanimous at all. There was dissent in the lower ranks of those who attended White House Farm. In addition how could any of them possibly know anything about Jeremy Bamber and the comments he made to Robert Boutflour about how he could "easily kill his parents",a remark made to Goldsmiths' College student James Richards that he hated his "f***ing parents",and the sustained wish he expressed over the past year to Julie Mugford to kill his parents?

[mike tesko]

Good post Grahame.  These officers also had the unique advantage of seeing the crime scene before everything was disturbed.  From what I understand, the unanimous view of these officers, was that it was murders/suicide.

Murder / suicide it was, that went tragically wrong, with police shooting Sheila dead in the bedroom (accidentally or otherwise)...

[Steve_uk]

Murder / suicide it was, that went tragically wrong, with police shooting Sheila dead in the bedroom (accidentally or otherwise)...

Oh for goodness sake..

[lookout]

Good post Grahame.  These officers also had the unique advantage of seeing the crime scene before everything was disturbed.  From what I understand, the unanimous view of these officers, was that it was murders/suicide.

That's the way I saw the verdict back in 1985,,as I watched,,,on television,,,,bewildered  young man being handcuffed and led away. It was awful and so very cruel. He made no struggle because he thought for sure he'd be released,,,as afterall,,,his conscience was clear. 

[andrea]

No, Lookout. He was cocky and arrogant and thought he would get off. Hence "that is what you have to establish" did him no favours that one!

[Neil]

It was not unanimous at all. There was dissent in the lower ranks of those who attended White House Farm. In addition how could any of them possibly know anything about Jeremy Bamber and the comments he made to Robert Boutflour about how he could "easily kill his parents",a remark made to Goldsmiths' College student James Richards that he hated his "f***ing parents",and the sustained wish he expressed over the past year to Julie Mugford to kill his parents?

You're right when you say that the officers first on the scene were not influenced by hearsay evidence when forming their opinions.  To what extent was there dissent?

[mike tesko]

It was not unanimous at all. There was dissent in the lower ranks of those who attended White House Farm. In addition how could any of them possibly know anything about Jeremy Bamber and the comments he made to Robert Boutflour about how he could "easily kill his parents",a remark made to Goldsmiths' College student James Richards that he hated his "f***ing parents",and the sustained wish he expressed over the past year to Julie Mugford to kill his parents?

All classic verbal lines often introduced back in the mid 1980's designed to cast a poor light on the defendant...

I can't beleive how corny all of this was / is?

So, you expect us to beleive that Jeremy almost got away with the perfect murder, and part of that plan was to tell all and sundry that he wanted to kill his family, and how much he hated his parents?

Sorry, I don't buy into that fantasy...

[andrea]

He didnt tell all and sundry, Mike. He told Mugford.

[mike tesko]

He didnt tell all and sundry, Mike. He told Mugford.

I don't believe he told anybody anything of the sort. Mugford stitched Bamber up, and Bobby Boutflour was a lying scoundrel...

Why isn't Mugford volunteering to take the same lie detector test as Jeremy did?

[andrea]

Why should she take a Ld test? She has done nothing wrong. All the talk of lie detectors is going no where. Evidence relating to a LD wont be admissable in a court room. Theyre unreliable.

[mike tesko]

Because no time of death exists or has been guesstimated, it is not possible to say at what time or stage Ralph got shot or attacked? But there are time frames relating to when certain telephone calls were made...