telephone logs.

[grahameb]

Attack alarm was activated at about 3:33am...

Keep meaning to ask Mike, but where is the record for that? I can't find it?

[Steve_uk]

Attack alarm was activated at about 3:33am...

Mike every detail in this case is important which is why I turn a blind eye to the occasional prolixity manifested in some posts. From what I can remember about burglar alarms in the 1980s and especially the one installed in my parents' house you could have a choice of rooms covered-so the lounge,dining-room and kitchen were covered with a beam,which if someone broke in the alarm would be activated after 25 seconds. However in my parents' house it was theoretically possible to break in,then go to the cloakroom where the control box was located, then  type in the code which if done within 25 seconds would disable the alarm. I'm not sure whether the panic alarm upstairs in the bedroom would be disabled also but I assume not.

I'm wondering whether Jeremy knew the code to the alarm system and if so deactivated it that morning. I'm also unclear as to what specific system was installed at White House Farm. There are burglar alarms where you need to insert a key to switch it off,other alarms which are wired to the local Police Station,but then again the Police do not always automatically respond,as they check whether there have been previous false alarms at the property before they make a decision. These alarms are not foolproof as can be evidenced by the Michael Fagan incident a couple of years before the murders,when the alarm at Buckingham Palace was switched off after the Queen activated a panic button,then was still kept waiting when she telephoned the Police.

Going back to my parents' alarm I have heard the panic button alarm and it's very loud,and lasts for 20 minutes if not deactivated,yet it doesn't seem to have been heard by the recipient of Ralph's call,neither is it written down in the log disclosed in 2004 that Ralph asked whether the Police were on their way.

[susan]

Hi Mike  is a panic alarm and a burglar alarm one of the same I thought they were different.

[grahameb]

Hi Mike  is a panic alarm and a burglar alarm one of the same I thought they were different.

No. A burglar alarm is different. A panic alarm is a personal alarm which is connected directly to ther alarm company and has to be activated by the individual him/herself. A burglar alarm is activated by an intruder entering a property. You can choose what zones to alarm. There are sensors situated in specific rooms. Ralph had a panic alarm. Not a burglar alarm.

[Caroline R]

No. A burglar alarm is different. A panic alarm is a personal alarm which is connected directly to ther alarm company and has to be activated by the individual him/herself. A burglar alarm is activated by an intruder entering a property. You can choose what zones to alarm. There are sensors situated in specific rooms. Ralph had a panic alarm. Not a burglar alarm.

I worked in a garage shop when I was in college at about the same time. There was a panic button for night-shift staff. I didn't take much notice of how it was wired up but it was a small white box with a red button. It wasn't in a fixed position and could be moved around the shop to some extent (or as far as the cable would stretch).

[tonyb]

I worked in a garage shop when I was in college at about the same time. There was a panic button for night-shift staff. I didn't take much notice of how it was wired up but it was a small white box with a red button. It wasn't in a fixed position and could be moved around the shop to some extent (or as far as the cable would stretch).

I have a panisc button im my bedroomat home. it is similar in descripion to the above. it operates the burgular alarm bell.it matters not if the alarm is armed or not.

[jim ignatowski]

Where is the evidence that there was an attack alarm?

[susan]

Not sure Jim but I have read several times about the panic alarm existing.  Mike will know when he is back on the forum.

[Jane]

Not sure Jim but I have read several times about the panic alarm existing.  Mike will know when he is back on the forum.

Susan hi. I have the feeling that the Bambers had a panic alarm fitted because they had been threatened by a person of uncertain temperament.

[susan]

Hi april  maggie posted earlier today and gave the reasons why the panic button was fitted it would appear Ralph was being threatened by the Father of some boy sentenced by Ralph in his capacity as a Magistrate.

[grahameb]

Keep meaning to ask Mike, but where is the record for that? I can't find it?

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[grahameb]

Where is the evidence that there was an attack alarm?

I've asked Mike that myself. I can't see any record of one fitted myself. I just want to know where he got it from?

[Reader]

Attack alarm was activated at about 3:33am...

There's no such thing as an attack alarm, and no evidence has been posted of a panic alarm or its activation. If there was any type of alarm installed, surely JB would have known about it and mentioned it years ago.

Similarly there was no such term as "metered call log" until mike tesko invented it as a way of avoiding the term "telephone bill" and disagreement about itemized billing of local calls.

[-Harters-]

There's no such thing as an attack alarm, and no evidence has been posted of a panic alarm or its activation. If there was any type of alarm installed, surely JB would have known about it and mentioned it years ago.

There was a panic alarm installed, without being too specific about the location of the button (in case it is still active), it is downstairs within five or six metres of the location where Ralphs body was discovered.

Other details about the alarm, such as it being a shared or second line, or whether it was a silent alarm or not, I do not know. I've also seen nothing which indicates that the alarm was activated on the night of the murders, I've been told that it was not.

I'm also led to believe that there was a burglar alarm fitted although I have no details about it. Could a panic alarm and a burglar alarm be connected in any way, or would they be stand alone systems?

There are just a few vague references, such as:


I've seen a reference in Ann's notes or statements, plus a reference to an alarm in a typed list of some sort, I'll dig them out if I can find them.

[Reader]

That's dated 4th September, so it doesn't indicate anything was installed prior to August 7th. Panic buttons are not usually hidden. It's safer for them to be located easily.