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Offline grahameb

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Re: telephone logs.
« Reply #255 on: July 12, 2012, 09:28:PM »
Is this what Campion was asking the other day ?
Yes and that is why he congratulated hartley for it was he who introduced it.

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« Reply #256 on: July 12, 2012, 09:32:PM »
Yes and that is why he congratulated hartley for it was he who introduced it.
Cheers Graham , they obviously kept some sort of record
of the calls !! But Hartley is probably right its not being
withheld under PPI  :P ::) :o

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« Reply #257 on: July 12, 2012, 09:36:PM »
My rant will be over , when JB is given a fair trial ,with all evidence put before a jury , nothing withheld NOTHING !!
Nor will i, trust me first chance i get and i will leave this country for a better place , how dare a society like ours witholds information , i thought this country fought in 2 world wars to a free world , it seems not.

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« Reply #258 on: July 12, 2012, 09:37:PM »
Nothing suggests that there are any logs.

The officer at Witham who West spoke to was likely to be Bews, Myall or Saxby, probably Saxby.

The information you are looking for will no doubt be in their witness statements. They are not being withheld under PII, Mike just hasn't posted them on the forum.

PII isn't a cover all excuse you know  ::) It's being far too casually cited.  ::)
Isn't that the very problem though?  As long as we don't know what is held under PII, people will always presume that there has been some skullduggery, especially when you consider the undoubted corruption that exists in our legal system.

Having said all that, I am ignorant of legal procedure and would ask whether there is a schedule that exists, that gives a broad outline of what is being held and why.

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Re: telephone logs.
« Reply #259 on: July 12, 2012, 09:38:PM »
Nor will i, trust me first chance i get and i will leave this country for a better place , how dare a society like ours witholds information , i thought this country fought in 2 world wars to a free world , it seems not.
And Germany are still calling the shots.

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« Reply #260 on: July 12, 2012, 10:09:PM »
Isn't that the very problem though?  As long as we don't know what is held under PII, people will always presume that there has been some skullduggery, especially when you consider the undoubted corruption that exists in our legal system.

Having said all that, I am ignorant of legal procedure and would ask whether there is a schedule that exists, that gives a broad outline of what is being held and why.

There would usually be a list, however not all non-disclosed files are withheld under PII, some appear to simply not disclosed.


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« Reply #261 on: July 12, 2012, 10:18:PM »
Nothing suggests that there are any logs.

The officer at Witham who West spoke to was likely to be Bews, Myall or Saxby, probably Saxby.

The information you are looking for will no doubt be in their witness statements. They are not being withheld under PII, Mike just hasn't posted them on the forum.

PII isn't a cover all excuse you know  ::) It's being far too casually cited.  ::)

Possibly a clue?


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« Reply #262 on: July 12, 2012, 10:18:PM »
And Germany are still calling the shots.
Frau Merkel rules Europa now Grahame , Cameron is a puppy dog when she says jump he jumps. bet interpol has files on JB.

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« Reply #263 on: July 12, 2012, 11:11:PM »
  Somewhat belatedly, Heartles., I am glad to make the following observations :
  I do not consider Jon's posts to be rants. IMO he is truly succinct in highlighting your obfuscations.
  Bews, Myall, and Saxby were in a patrol car, 13 minutes away from WHF, when they were alerted by Witham Control Desk, by radio.
 So:
      a) Who was the person in Control at Witham?
       b)Why is there no telephone/radio log appertaining to Witham?
        c) Where is any information with regard to the WHF alarm?
         d)Should Rivlin have been aware, and drawn attention to these anomalies?

       Who is, or what is S9A? I am impressed by the block letter printing. It is characteristic of an Architect.

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Re: telephone logs.
« Reply #264 on: July 12, 2012, 11:49:PM »
Essex police obtained metered call logs as part and parcel of their everyday enquiries into these deaths. These would be set out in the following format for each day under enquiry:-

Metered phone log records (whf):-

Cheap rate (CB) - 6pm (date) to 8am (date)
Peak Rate (PB) - 9am (date) to 1pm (date)
Standard rate (SB) - 8am (date) to 9am (date) and 1pm (date) to 6pm (date)

Extracts:-

(a) - 5th August 1985 to 6th August 1985
(b) - 6th August 1985 to 7th August 1985
(c) - 7th August 1985 to 8th August 1985

Relevant period being - (Cheap rate period) 6pm, Tuesday, 6th August 1985, to 8am, Wednesday, 7th August 1985...
« Last Edit: July 12, 2012, 11:55:PM by mike tesko »
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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« Reply #265 on: July 12, 2012, 11:58:PM »
  Somewhat belatedly, Heartles., I am glad to make the following observations :
  I do not consider Jon's posts to be rants. IMO he is truly succinct in highlighting your obfuscations.
  Bews, Myall, and Saxby were in a patrol car, 13 minutes away from WHF, when they were alerted by Witham Control Desk, by radio.
 So:
      a) Who was the person in Control at Witham?
       b)Why is there no telephone/radio log appertaining to Witham?
        c) Where is any information with regard to the WHF alarm?
         d)Should Rivlin have been aware, and drawn attention to these anomalies?

       Who is, or what is S9A? I am impressed by the block letter printing. It is characteristic of an Architect.

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Bearing in mind the tone of your message, including your sneaky hidden comment referring to my profession (what's that all about? Weird), what makes you think that I'm going to be enthusiastically falling over myself to give you the time of day, let alone answer your questions?  ???

« Last Edit: July 13, 2012, 12:20:AM by -The Jam- »

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« Reply #266 on: July 13, 2012, 12:44:AM »
I still can't envisage the circumstances in which a telephone call was made from White House Farm by Ralph(Nevill). Does he hear Sheila going into the twins' bedroom and hear the shots she fires into their bodies,then comes out onto the landing where he is shot four times,Sheila then goes into the master bedroom and shoots June,during which time Nevill manages to stagger downstairs..however he doesn't make for the gun cupboard but the telephone in the kitchen. Let's say Nevill at this stage knows he is wounded too badly to manipulate a gun,but with one hand can dial a number..it's an emergency situation as he relates to Jeremy that "Your sister has gone crazy and has got the gun" which is echoed in Jeremy's call to the Police from Goldhanger("You've got to help me..")..whilst Sheila is shooting June seven times Nevill manages to make another phone call to the Police,which is logged as "daughter gone berserk with one of my guns".

At this stage in the scenario therefore Nevill has already made two telephone calls from the kitchen. Nevill then has a little more time to twist his bloodstained watch off his wrist and hide it under the rug,before Sheila comes back into the kitchen where she bashes him brutally in the head,then fires three more times to finish him off.

I'm wondering why,when Nevill manages to get downstairs in a fight or flight situation if ever there was one he wastes time phoning what must have at least been a 7 figure number to Jeremy when one's only thought must be for the safety of those upstairs? The 999 number would have been in anyone's mind first especially since he is injured with his motor skills impaired. There is no blood on the downstairs phone,yet we know from the wristwatch that he had been wounded,unless he somehow in his dying moments manages to unfasten his wristwatch  and hide it under the rug.

I would suggest that it's far more likely that it was Jeremy whom Nevill heard moving about in the early hours of that morning and tried the bedroom phone which was disabled as Jeremy had already unplugged the kitchen phone which was later proved to be in working order. Nevill comes out of the bedroom and Jeremy shoot him four times,then goes into the master bedroom where June is shot seven times in total,the first as she is sat up in bed,one shot aimed straight between the eyes.

Nevill is then frogmarched downstairs by Jeremy to the kitchen- in Dr. Vanezis's report there are marks on Nevill's back to suggest that a hot rifle butt is held against his skin for a short period,where he is then assaulted with the rifle and left for dead. Nevill manages to release his wristwatch and hide it under the rug,hoping against hope that its bloodstained state might be useful to investigators. Jeremy then races back upstairs,finishes June off,hurries back downstairs and fires three more bullets into Nevill,which prove fatal.

I just don't see a scenario where Nevill makes any telephone calls to the Police that morning. I can see a scenario where another person,whether Jeremy or a hitman does make a call,with gloved hand on the kitchen phone to the cottage at Whitehanger,which if records do exist,would show that calls were made,but not by whom.
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« Reply #267 on: July 13, 2012, 12:49:AM »
There was no blood on the phone and during the alleged call to Jeremy he doesn't say he's been shot.

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« Reply #268 on: July 13, 2012, 12:55:AM »
Is there a suggestion that Ralph did not sustain 4 gun shot wounds upstairs?
I'm sure that Mike, at least, has questioned this!

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Re: telephone logs.
« Reply #269 on: July 13, 2012, 12:56:AM »
If so then why does he not try to seize a rifle from the gun cupboard,or even unlock the back door and summon help..