telephone logs.

[lookout]

Hi Grahame, I wonder if it did happen before..Is there any way of checking?

I think JB was careful not to phone 999.  At this point there was no real insight to what was about to happen. Maybe he thought a local police car was the answer and, did not think it appropriate to send squad cars and, that his local copper could calm whatever the situation was at the farm.

It is so easy to say with hindsight that he should have dialled 999 

Hi Patti,,I'd read somewhere ( can't for the life of me remember where I saw it ) that while Nevill was on the phone to Jeremy,,he'd said how frightened he was. I wish I could find the damn thing.

[grahameb]

If Jeremy was trying to cover up, how did calling the local fuzz help?  Surely, if he was trying to make it look as convincing as possible, he would have dialed 999!

Exsctly Neil. It just doesn't make sense not dialing 999 does it. But still the bgb argue against themselves by insisting that to show he is guilty because he never dialed 999. How on earth does that help his case?

[lookout]

Exsctly Neil. It just doesn't make sense not dialing 999 does it. But still the bgb argue against themselves by insisting that to show he is guilty because he never dialed 999. How on earth does that help his case?

Jeremy would have been better not even phoning at all when you think about it. He couldn't have been any worse off. If he'd been as sly,evil and wicked as people have painted him,,,he wouldn't have phoned.

[grahameb]

Can I just ask mike, how long have you had these papers and, if there was any value to them, why you've never done anything with them?

What proof exactly lies in them of calls between WHF and Jeremy's house?

It appears Mike got them the other day and they go towards proving that the police had both the will and the means to log calls to and from WHF in 1985.
Furhermore because of operation cool I suggest that they did just that and have or had such documents in their possession that they chose deliberately not to use in court at the trial.

I further suggest that because they had these documents in their possession that they could have proved without a shadow of doubt that Bamber was guilty just by presenting them to the court in 1986.

Moreover I suggest that the said documents prove the exact opposite. That they show beyond a shadow of a doubt that Ralph Bamber did in fact call the police that night and that he also phoned Jeremy. That is why these logs that Mike has sent in emails are so important. Peration cool. That is the key.

[tonyb]

Exsctly Neil. It just doesn't make sense not dialing 999 does it. But still the bgb argue against themselves by insisting that to show he is guilty because he never dialed 999. How on earth does that help his case?

i have mentioned this in the past.
on one occasion i needed police assistance and dialled 999. i was routed to a control room that is over 60 miles away (i live on the south border of the county) and the operator could not determine my location. I did hang up and grab the phone book. the numbers are all in the front and a page under P so i found it very quickly. I dont personally have issue with not dialling 999 as now i would do the same,phone the local station.

[grahameb]

i have mentioned this in the past.
on one occasion i needed police assistance and dialled 999. i was routed to a control room that is over 60 miles away (i live on the south border of the county) and the operator could not determine my location. I did hang up and grab the phone book. the numbers are all in the front and a page under P so i found it very quickly. I dont personally have issue with not dialling 999 as now i would do the same,phone the local station.

I have dialed 999 before now to report a suspected car theft where I witnessed the suspected thieves running away and got told off by the twit at the end of the phone for dialing 999.
On another occasion I dialed 999 and the cops were there in literally seconds peddling like good'uns on their bicycles.

[mertol22]

Back then yes for dailing 999 you had to have a very good cause to do so, not like todays defunct society dialing 999 because over a sandwich, there was no indication upon jeremy recieving the call that anything fatal had started there was no indication the rifle was even loaded.

[grahameb]

Back then yes for dailing 999 you had to have a very good cause to do so, not like todays defunct society dialing 999 because over a sandwich, there was no indication upon jeremy recieving the call that anything fatal had started there was no indication the rifle was even loaded.

With Ralph Bamber being a JP the family probably are on casual terms with the police anyway? I know the school does.

[-Harters-]

Hi Patti,,I'd read somewhere ( can't for the life of me remember where I saw it ) that while Nevill was on the phone to Jeremy,,he'd said how frightened he was. I wish I could find the damn thing.

2002 Appeal Judgement maybe?

25. Using a radio link PC West contacted Malcolm Bonnet at the Chelmsford H/Q Information Room. PC West then spoke to the appellant again, who complained at the time the officer was taking. He said, "When my father rang he sounded terrified". The appellant was told to go to the farm and to wait there for the police. PC West described the appellant as sounding "very laconic" and calm during the first part of their conversation and said that there was no sense of urgency. When he spoke to him again the appellant appeared "more urgent and distressed in his manner".

[grahameb]

With Ralph Bamber being a JP the family probably are on casual terms with the police anyway? I know the school does.

Why did he not dial 999? So how would that benefit his case if he had? What difference would it had made? nothing. In fact as some have said, It would have made him sound even more convincing if he was lying. NOPE! The contention that because Jeremy did not dial 999 is just a red herring. A smoke screen if you like to make him look more guilty. But in fact it does nothing of the sort.

[grahameb]

It appears Mike got them the other day and they go towards proving that the police had both the will and the means to log calls to and from WHF in 1985.
Furhermore because of operation cool I suggest that they did just that and have or had such documents in their possession that they chose deliberately not to use in court at the trial.

I further suggest that because they had these documents in their possession that they could have proved without a shadow of doubt that Bamber was guilty just by presenting them to the court in 1986.

Moreover I suggest that the said documents prove the exact opposite. That they show beyond a shadow of a doubt that Ralph Bamber did in fact call the police that night and that he also phoned Jeremy. That is why these logs that Mike has sent in emails are so important. Peration cool. That is the key.

Question: Where are the Witham telephone logs? There is a log missing. Where is it? Is it being held under PII?

[Patti]

Hi Patti,,I'd read somewhere ( can't for the life of me remember where I saw it ) that while Nevill was on the phone to Jeremy,,he'd said how frightened he was. I wish I could find the damn thing.

Hi Lookout, hope you are OK...Will you email me please, I want to send you a pic of my daughter on her wedding day...she looked lovely.

I think he got a bit narked at being held on the phone with PC West...as anyone would have been. Like I say we can all look back and assume what we would do...but JB did get help, but the help came 4 hours too late and 6 weeks went by and no there was no crime scene left....

[jon]

Question: Where are the Witham telephone logs? There is a log missing. Where is it? Is it being held under PII?

Is this what Campion was asking the other day ?

[Roch]

Ds "Stan" Jones job was to generate enough confusion surrounding the timing of the calls

I have also wondered if this might be the case.

[tonyb]

I have dialed 999 before now to report a suspected car theft where I witnessed the suspected thieves running away and got told off by the twit at the end of the phone for dialing 999.
On another occasion I dialed 999 and the cops were there in literally seconds peddling like good'uns on their bicycles.

Yeah,my neighbour dialled 999 to report somebody threatening him with a knife. He was well pissed off when they knocked him out of bed 7 hours later.