telephone logs.

[mike tesko]

No there is not.

Yes, there is...

According to DC Hammersley, PC Bird photographed all the bullet case in situ before he (Hammersley) collected them all up in the main bedroom, Childrens bedroom, Landing, Stair and kitchen, yet these photographs have never yet seen the light of day. Instead they introduced diagrams which purport to show exactly where DC Hammersley found and took possession of all the spent bullet cases? Now this is interesting because there exists a handwritten note written up by PI "Bob" Miller, instructing DC Hammersley, to vacate the original exhibits marked DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3 and DRH/4 so that four bullet cases could be introduced into the main bedroom scenario to boost up the total found there to 12 as opposed to 8? Do the maths yourself, June was / is shot seven times, and Sheila once in the bedroom?

[mike tesko]

As per the Dickenson Report, the audio tapes no loger exist.

Things that don't exist can be requested, but I don't fancy your chances.

Again, there is some confusion about which audio tapes are being referred to in the Dickenson report, since as I understand it Jeremy was requesting access to the recording of his own conversation with PC West, not the conversations between PC West and Malcolm Bonnet? Which audio tapes are you referring to, (a) the Bamber to PC west, or (b) PC West to Malcom Bonnet?

The other thing is, these investigations and reports that keep getting banded about do not cover the fact that there was a training exercise carried out at the scene whilst the bodies of the five victims were still insitu, and that police treated the bodies of the deceased at that time like props in a film set?

[-Harters-]

Yes, there is...

According to DC Hammersley, PC Bird photographed all the bullet case a handwrittens in situ before he (Hammersley) collected them all up in the main bedroom, Childrens bedroom, Landing, Stair and kitchen, yet these photographs have never yet seen the light of day. Instead they introduced diagrams which purport to show exactly where DC Hammersley found and took possession of all the spent bullet cases? Now this is interesting because there exists a handwritten note written up by PI "Bob" Miller, instructing DC Hammersley, to vacate the original exhibits marked DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3 and DRH/4 so that four bullet cases could be introduced into the main bedroom scenario to boost up the total found there to 12 as opposed to 8? Do the maths yourself, June was / is shot seven times, and Sheila once in the bedroom?

Pure fantasy I'm afraid. 

[Roch]

No, the argument or issue is the contents of both timed logs, One (3:26am) which has mention of words attributable to Ralph Bamber (Daughter has got one of my guns) and Jeremy (Sister has got the gun), as opposed to and compared against the contents contained in the other log (3:36am) where there are only references to Jeremy's call to PC West? Basically put, nothing which PC West says to Malcolm Bonnet between 3:26am and 3:36am, can be attributable to what Jeremy told PC West, because Jeremy did not make his call to PC West until 3:36am? Any comments recorded in log 3:26am by Bonnet must be information which PC West obtained from another source other than from Jeremy, and since the recorded words imply that "My daughter has got one of my guns" it appears to be the case that the only other person who might have had good reason to call the police, was non other than Ralph Bamber. Furthermore, since Jeremy did not call PC West until after the occupants of CA07 had been deployed to the scene at 3:35am...

Why would West bury a man and carry around with him self the burden, that he took a distress call from a doomed father, who's son he helped incarcerate forever? 

[mike tesko]

Pure fantasy I'm afraid. 

In your mind, yes, but provable by presentation or reference to the aforementioned handwritten note compiled by PI "Bob" Miller...

I wonder where all those photographs which PC Bird took of all the bullet cases in situ vanished to?

[mike tesko]

Why did PI "Bob" Miller instruct DC Hammersley to vacate four exhibits from the main bedroom scene bearing the original identifying marks of DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3 and DRH/4, and then replace these four displaced exhibits with four of the 12 bullet cases found in the bedroom concerned? You would do this to create an impression that more shots had been fired in the bedroom than was fired in the bedroom. Once you grasp this simple calculation, it should suddenly dawn on you that only 8 bullets were fired in the main bedroom, seven of these were fired into the body of June Bamber killing her, the other outstanding bullet was bullet PV/ 19 which was fired under the chin and which ended Sheila's life there in the bedroom...

[-Harters-]

In your mind, yes, but provable by presentation or reference to the aforementioned handwritten note compiled by PI "Bob" Miller...

I wonder where all those photographs which PC Bird took of all the bullet cases in situ vanished to?

If it was provable in any degree, then you wouldn't be gibbering on about it on a forum.

It's just a story, you can't prove it, you have no evidence, nobody believes you and you are achieving absolutely nothing.

[Neil]

Yes, there is...

According to DC Hammersley, PC Bird photographed all the bullet case in situ before he (Hammersley) collected them all up in the main bedroom, Childrens bedroom, Landing, Stair and kitchen, yet these photographs have never yet seen the light of day. Instead they introduced diagrams which purport to show exactly where DC Hammersley found and took possession of all the spent bullet cases? Now this is interesting because there exists a handwritten note written up by PI "Bob" Miller, instructing DC Hammersley, to vacate the original exhibits marked DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3 and DRH/4 so that four bullet cases could be introduced into the main bedroom scenario to boost up the total found there to 12 as opposed to 8? Do the maths yourself, June was / is shot seven times, and Sheila once in the bedroom?

Where can Bob Millers handwritten note be found?  I presume that you have seen it?

[-Harters-]

Why would West bury a man and carry around with him self the burden, that he took a distress call from a doomed father, who's son he helped incarcerate forever?

Ridiculous isn't it, sure you have different views about the case but I'm sure even you can only take so much.

[mike tesko]

If it was provable in any degree, then you wouldn't be gibbering on about it on a forum.

It's just a story, you can't prove it, you have no evidence, nobody believes you and you are achieving absolutely nothing.

It is not a story, I can prove it, I do have evidence, I am not bothered if no-one believes me, and I will achieve something regarding this case, one way or t'other...

Try to get some sleep, oh and don't have any unnecessary nightmares...

[mike tesko]

Where can Bob Millers handwritten note be found?  I presume that you have seen it?

I have them, yes...

[mike tesko]

Ridiculous isn't it, sure you have different views about the case but I'm sure even you can only take so much.

Same mental approach as the police who framed the Birmingham six, despite all of the victims being blown to pieces and murdered - Some people don't have a conscience...

[Neil]

I have them, yes...

Is there a good reason why you can't post them on here?

[Roch]

Ridiculous isn't it, sure you have different views about the case but I'm sure even you can only take so much.

People tend to post according to their stance.  Mine hovers around 70/30 - 80/20.  I find it very difficult to accept that many people would knowingly burn a man.  It is easier to understand why a select few with a lot to lose might do so.  However, no offence but West is cannon fodder.  Either he has been easily goaded in to burning a man or he didn't take a call from Ralph. 

[mike tesko]

So, back to the phone logs, two different conflicting logs about information received from two indirect sources, from Ralph, and from Jeremy, the details of which were passed on to Malcolm Bonnet by PC West, whose own log (3:36am) doesn't even have a court exhibit reference number stamped upon it, or allocated to it. No copy of this log (3:36am) was placed on the court file, otherwise it would have got the aforementioned stamp upon its page - but such a stamp is absent. Its absence tells us that it was never an exhibit during the trial. If it had been there would be some reference in the court transcript that the log (3:36am) had been allocated a court exhibit reference number in keeping with normal procedure. None existed, non was given to it, non exists upon it. There has to be a reason for this / that?