telephone logs.

[chevalier noir]

I feel that this question is being overlooked for some reason? So I have posted it under a new topic

Will anyone object if I get back to original question?
Here is notes of Jeremy Bamber call to police and Ralph call to police.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5DLsf0UggyWMzdlOWY0NTUtNmNiZS00NGJlLWI5YTYtNGM5ZGM3NGFkNmU3/edit?authkey=CIbx3JIB

http://twitpic.com/6qkaq9

[chevalier noir]

Will anyone object if I get back to original question?
Here is notes of Jeremy Bamber call to police and Ralph call to police.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5DLsf0UggyWMzdlOWY0NTUtNmNiZS00NGJlLWI5YTYtNGM5ZGM3NGFkNmU3/edit?authkey=CIbx3JIB

http://twitpic.com/6qkaq9

Here are sequence of events according to both telephone logs.

Nevill’s call                                               Jeremy’s call
   
Made at 3.26                                           Made at 3.36
   
Police dispatched car CA7 (3.35am)            Despatched another car CA5
   
CA7 arrives at the scene at 3.48                 CA5 arrives at 4.23
   
Refers to Sheila as ‘Daughter’                    Refers to Sheila as ‘Sister’
   
Address White House Farm                        Address Head St, Goldhanger
   
860209 – WHF number                              88645 – Jeremy’s phone number
   
Says his Daughter has gone ‘Beserk’           Jeremy says Sister had gone ‘crazy’
   
Nevill says Sheila was 26 yrs                       Jeremy says Sheila was 27 yrs
   
Nevill lists shotguns and .410’s                   Jeremy makes no mention of any other guns in the house
   
He says she has got one of ‘my’ guns         Jeremy Says ‘the gun’

This is by kind supply from the official Jeremy Bamber website. All copyright belongs to them.

Could I ask some questions that have puzzled me for a long time? A single judge ruled that time of 3.26 was a mistake. And because of this everybody seems to reject Ralphs call to the police as just a copy.

Very sorry but this still problem with me.

(1) Why was car CA7 dispatched at 3.35 when Jeremy's call was at 3.36?
   

[-Harters-]

It wasn't overlooked at all. Jeremys call was at 3:26 not 3:36.

You were answered in the thread where you originally posted.

[chevalier noir]

It wasn't overlooked at all. Jeremys call was at 3:26 not 3:36.

You were answered in the thread where you originally posted.

But surely if that was true then that means that jeremy's call which was availably was wrong anf Raplhs call which was discovered years after was right then?

[chevalier noir]

Hello. This is what one poster wrote some time ago:
[quote"curiousessex"]Note, that the patrol car, CA05, was dispatched to respond to the call made to the police by Jeremy at 3:36am, as verified by the fact that these details are recorded in the message log relating to Jeremy's call, "Dispatched CA05 to scene"...
It is also apparent that during the call made to the police by Nevill Bamber (3:26am) that he left the handset off its cradle, and that this would be consistent with Ralph having earlier called Jeremy, and the line going dead, because Ralph would have tapped the cradle to enable him to make the call to the police at 3:26am, so that by the time Jeremy attempted to re-establish contact with Nevill at whf, he kept getting the engaged tone. Jeremy got the engaged tone at that time, because Nevill was speaking to the police. Later, the police got the operator to check the line at whf from where Nevill  had made the call at 3:26am, who confirmed that at that stage, the handset was off its cradle... [/quote]

[chevalier noir]

But surely if that was true then that means that jeremy's call which was availably was wrong anf Raplhs call which was discovered years after was right then?

I am still confused. Which telephone log was an exhibit in the trial Jeremy Bamber log or Ralph log?

[-Harters-]

Hello. This is what one poster wrote some time ago:

If you are going to quote another member then please can you use the quote button to do so, otherwise you are in danger of misquoting them.

As can be seen below 'Curiousessex' is actually referring to something posted on another website.

But I'm sure you knew that anyway. 

I'm not sure of the layout of Chelmsford police station, and I'm not sure where PC West was in relation to Malcolm Bonnet. I've tried to find out but without success.


Did Bonnet write both logs?

The answer to all this and the case may lay simply in the accuracy of the Essex Police clock or clocks.


The website www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk includes ‘Bamber v Regina – Officially the latest evidence’ which details the following under the heading ‘Jeremy’s Alibi’.
Nevill’s Call to Police (3.26) and Jeremy's call to police (3.36)
 
Jeremy has always maintained that his father called him to tell him that Sheila had a gun and he wanted him to come over. It has now been proven that Jeremy was telling the truth as his father DID call the police. The fact that the police failed to disclose both Jeremy and Nevill's call to them prevented Jeremy from getting a fair trial. The jury should have been made aware of both calls. Click here to read more

If the ‘click here’ link is followed more details are provided –
Nevill's call to Police
 
One of the big mysteries in this case which has always been harmful to Jeremy's testimony was the prosecution's case that Nevill Bamber didn't call the Police. This is featured in the Daily Mirror Article 05/08/10
 
But we know that Nevill did call the Police - view the Police transcipts here
 
The logs are rolling documents and were started when the calls were made and added to as the events of the evening unfolded.  An explanation for the anomalies below is that the officer who took the calls simply made a mistake about the times. What do you think?
 
   
Nevill’s call
Made at 3.26
Police dispatched car CA7 (3.35am)
CA7 arrives at the scene at 3.48
Refers to  Sheila as ‘Daughter’
Address White House Farm
860209 – WHF number
Says his Daughter has gone ‘Beserk’
Nevill says Sheila was 26 yrs
Nevill tells them about shotguns and .410’s
He says she has got one of ‘my’ guns
 

Jeremy’s call
Made at 3.36
Despatched another car CA5
CA5 arrives at 4.23
Refers to Sheila as ‘Sister’
Address Head St, Goldhanger
88645 – Jeremy’s phone number
Jeremy says Sister had gone ‘crazy’
Jeremy says Sheila was 27 yrs
Jeremy makes no mention of any other guns in the house
Jeremy Says ‘the gun’


It could be argued that Jeremy made the call from WHF and then went to his home at Goldhanger and made the second call, but it’s not possible to get from one to the other in less than 10 minutes.
Why was this log never shown to the jury?
Why would the same police officer, collar number 1990, make two different records of a call from the same person, at different times (3;26 and 3:36am), referring to details passed to him about the caller’s "daughter" in one, and the callers "sister", in the other?
The patrol car which overtook Jeremy en route to the farmhouse that morning, (CA07) was responding to the call made by Nevill, not to the call made by Jeremy, as confirmed by the fact that CA07 left to go to the scene, (3:35am), one minute before Jeremy made his call to the police at 3:36am (this anomaly was apparently commented upon during the judgement at the last (2002) appeal).
Note, that the patrol car, CA05, was dispatched to respond to the call made to the police by Jeremy at 3:36am, as verified by the fact that these details are recorded in the message log relating to Jeremy's call, "Dispatched CA05 to scene"...
It is also apparent that during the call made to the police by Nevill Bamber (3:26am) that he left the handset off its cradle, and that this would be consistent with Ralph having earlier called Jeremy, and the line going dead, because Ralph would have tapped the cradle to enable him to make the call to the police at 3:26am, so that by the time Jeremy attempted to re-establish contact with Nevill at whf, he kept getting the engaged tone. Jeremy got the engaged tone at that time, because Nevill was speaking to the police. Later, the police got the operator to check the line at whf from where Nevill  had made the call at 3:26am, who confirmed that at that stage, the handset was off its cradle...

[chevalier noir]

If you are going to quote another member then please can you use the quote button to do so, otherwise you are in danger of misquoting them.

As can be seen below 'Curiousessex' is actually referring to something posted on another website.

But I'm sure you knew that anyway. 

But mister Jam. I did copy what he said accurately and in your quote he confirms it. At the trial the original log was jeremy bamber log. The log that was disputed was Ralph bamber log discovered many years later. So original log was one accepted at trial they time they were thought to have quoted incorrectly was 3.26 and not 3.36 Why would they send out car CA7 which was not mentioned on original log? Am I understanding this correctly.

[-Harters-]

I'm not sure who you think you are amusing. 

Carry on. 

[chevalier noir]

I don't understand amusing? what is this.
There is another anomaly as well.
Car CA7 which was dispatched at 3.35am and arrives at scene at 3.48am = roughly 15 minutes.
Care CA5 which was dispatched at 3.36am and arrives at 4.23am.= roughly 45 minutes. Why so long?
Was it that the first call from Ralph Bamber was a 999 call and the call from Jeremy Bamber was to the police station?
The police car C07 must have been going very fast to get from chelmsford to White House Farm in such a short time?

[Jane]

I don't understand amusing? what is this.
There is another anomaly as well.
Car CA7 which was dispatched at 3.35am and arrives at scene at 3.48am = roughly 15 minutes.
Care CA5 which was dispatched at 3.36am and arrives at 4.23am.= roughly 45 minutes. Why so long?
Was it that the first call from Ralph Bamber was a 999 call and the call from Jeremy Bamber was to the police station?
The police car C07 must have been going very fast to get from chelmsford to White House Farm in such a short time?

Car CO7 was not necessarily in Chelmsford at the time, it could have been returning from another shout and in the location.

[lookout]

I can see this case being another unsolved job like the Diane Jones one ( in the same area ) in 1983.
Nobody would ever believe in a million years that Sheila was responsible ( or not,as her mind was sick ) but sad to say that infanticide is published more often than we'd like.

[chevalier noir]

Car CO7 was not necessarily in Chelmsford at the time, it could have been returning from another shout and in the location.

But April car CA7 is not even mentioned in the original telephone log. It was only brought to light when the second log was found years later.
May I suggest that mr Ralph Bamber made his first call to the police by dialling 999 and then phoned Jeremy Bamber? For if you read both notes they are entirely different and not just one mistake as some try and make out?

[Reader]

Malcolm Bonnett was a civilian on duty in the Chelmsford HQ Information Room at the police HQ in Chelmsford, whereas Pc West was working at Chelmsford police station.

Car CA7 isn't identified, but is mentioned: "CW informed & unit + duty PS despatched", where other documents indicate CW refers to Witham police station, and the duty PS was presumably Ps Bews. There seems not to have been any explanation, or even attempt to explain, why it took nine minutes for any car to be sent to the farm. CA7 seems to have been in the area, probably at or close to Witham police station. Even from there, it must have been driven very fast to the farm.

[Patti]

Malcolm Bonnett was a civilian on duty in the Chelmsford HQ Information Room at the police HQ in Chelmsford, whereas Pc West was working at Chelmsford police station.

Car CA7 isn't identified, but is mentioned: "CW informed & unit + duty PS despatched", where other documents indicate CW refers to Witham police station, and the duty PS was presumably Ps Bews. There seems not to have been any explanation, or even attempt to explain, why it took nine minutes for any car to be sent to the farm. CA7 seems to have been in the area, probably at or close to Witham police station. Even from there, it must have been driven very fast to the farm.

That is a good point Reader...9 minutes to despatch a car.