telephone logs.

[Bridget]

Thats right, Bridget. Surley had Sheila committed the murders, other blood would have been found.

You'd think

[andrea]

The scene was bloody, she would have other blood on her no doubt!

morning Bridget 

[lookout]

you think after the first shot she changed her clothes?

Yes,,I do,Andrea,,,as well as having shot the others. No doubt her outdoor clothing was saturated in blood,,,as that was why it was left soaking. She would have showered too.

Her nightie would then become the finishing touches to her demise.

The only one who had the most visible covering of blood,was June,,,feet and all.

[andrea]

Impossible, Lookout.

So she ran upstairs then changed her clothes, read a bit of the bible then shot herself dead second time round.
Sorry, i cannot buy that.

[lookout]

Impossible, Lookout.

So she ran upstairs then changed her clothes, read a bit of the bible then shot herself dead second time round.
Sorry, i cannot buy that.

Nothing's impossible,,Andrea,,simply because none of us were there to witness anything,,,and if this is how the case itself was worked out,,then it sure was the most unfair trial to end all trials.
However,my belief that Jeremy is innocent,still stands.

[andrea]

Let me get this staright incase im misunderstanding what youre saying.

She shot the family, then shot herself once, are you then saying she got changed went upstairs read the bible then shot hersefl again? At what point did she shower? After killing the family but before the first shot to herself?

Explain the order of things in your opinion, because i think i'm misunderstanding things.

[-Harters-]

Yes,,I do,Andrea,,,as well as having shot the others. No doubt her outdoor clothing was saturated in blood,,,as that was why it was left soaking. She would have showered too.

Her nightie would then become the finishing touches to her demise.

The only one who had the most visible covering of blood,was June,,,feet and all.

How weird. 

Somehow, it has gone from some stained underwear in soak due to being caught out, to "outdoor clothing saturated in blood".

You couldn't make it up. 

[Bridget]

Let me get this staright incase im misunderstanding what youre saying.

She shot the family, then shot herself once, are you then saying she got changed went upstairs read the bible then shot hersefl again? At what point did she shower? After killing the family but before the first shot to herself?

Explain the order of things in your opinion, because i think i'm misunderstanding things.

And all topless remember...

[andrea]

Topless too! Oh dear 

Glad there was no photos then , guess who would have tried selling them 

[lookout]

How weird. 

Somehow, it has gone from some stained underwear in soak due to being caught out, to "outdoor clothing saturated in blood".

You couldn't make it up. 

What I meant were Sheilas' clothes that she wore that day other than her nightie which she changed into.
Nothing clever about your remarks btw,,I just find them immature. Anything to make yourself look a pratt.

[Bridget]

What I meant were Sheilas' clothes that she wore that day other than her nightie which she changed into.

It was two pairs of knickers (stained you-know-where) and a pair of joggers.

[Steve_uk]

I have a few issues with JM and her statement, other than in writing following an oral account , there seems to be no pysical evidence to support what she said, such as a diary with times and dates what jeremy said , a tape with him saying such things, given her testonomy in effect sent him prison forever , all on no concrete evidence he said such things, in the presence of another person that would be quite different , there we have more than one witness, if jb was under the influence of alchohol when he said such things , that could not be taken as evedence, even if he did say such things as a pass of view and not to act , tells me she

Mertol22 I'm not saying Julie is legally blameless and certainly had she gone to the Police of her own volition the day of the murders I think many of the doubters here might be silenced. It's strange though that Jeremy should phone Julie around the time he supposedly gets the call from Nevill,then phones her again around 6.00am from the village,suggesting that at that stage he wanted and needed to keep her on side.

Thinking about the hitman theory again is it possible that Jeremy needed an excuse for the bicycle to be there at Goldhanger and asked Julie to say she wanted to use it? Did anybody in the village see Julie riding a bicycle? It suggests to me that Julie was going along in her mind with Jeremy's plan,which would explain all the sobbing in court which made cross-examination difficult. Of course Jeremy is not going to implicate Julie as that would mean admitting to the whole plot and losing any chance of inheriting the estate.

[-Harters-]

What I meant were Sheilas' clothes that she wore that day other than her nightie which she changed into.
Nothing clever about your remarks btw,,I just find them immature. Anything to make yourself look a pratt.

I'm not the one inventing "blood saturated outdoor clothes".

You can't just make things up, well you can, but you'll probably receive replies like the one above. 

[jon]

I'm not the one inventing "blood saturated outdoor clothes".

You can't just make things up, well you can, but you'll probably receive replies like the one above. 

You do quite a lot !!

[lookout]

I'm not the one inventing "blood saturated outdoor clothes".

You can't just make things up, well you can, but you'll probably receive replies like the one above. 

No,,but you invent a lot more other things.