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Offline Patti

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Re: Polygraph Testing
« Reply #390 on: July 30, 2012, 10:40:AM »
Morning all. Morning Susan. We have a situation on here really, because on the new profile case we have Nick Rose...who has not shown any willingness to take a lie detector test. In fact he has stated he would, then he said he wouldn't, then he said he would when he moved prisons. This guy has no intentions of taking that test. Yet his followers believe him to be not guilty of his crime. I hope I don't upset anyone, but Jeremy on the other hand welcomed the test....as a not guilty person would. Jeremy had always asked for the test be done, knowing he was innocent. Those that refuse these tests are hiding something and that is what I think about Nick Rose...If you know in your heart that you are innocent, you would do anything to prove it.... :) :) :)

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« Reply #391 on: July 30, 2012, 10:44:AM »
I'm no expert on this but I think the way it's done is that there are 3 pertinent questions (what they term the 'relevant' questions) interspersed among a load of 'control' questions. The control questions are ones to which you would expect a truthful answer (or the tester knows what the truthful answer would be), and so they then compare the results to see if there was a significantly different response to the 'relevant' questions. The report is then based on the results for the relevant questions.

All of the 12 questions seem relevant to me, so if the test was actually 4 tests (as per JBs comment in the Mirror article), what were the results of the other 3 tests? If it was all one test, why does Mullins not consider the other 9 questions as relevant?

Good post Bridget.  I suppose the only way we will find out is to speak to him.  He did offer to speak to me a while back but for one reason or another it didn't happen.

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Re: Polygraph Testing
« Reply #392 on: July 30, 2012, 10:45:AM »
Hi Patti  I agree if you are guilty of a crime by taking a polygraph test you are in danger of failing so if I was guilty of something no way would I take it even though I knew they were not full proof just would not risk it.  Anyway even if I was innocent I would fail :)

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Re: Polygraph Testing
« Reply #393 on: July 30, 2012, 10:56:AM »
I'm no expert on this but I think the way it's done is that there are 3 pertinent questions (what they term the 'relevant' questions) interspersed among a load of 'control' questions. The control questions are ones to which you would expect a truthful answer (or the tester knows what the truthful answer would be), and so they then compare the results to see if there was a significantly different response to the 'relevant' questions. The report is then based on the results for the relevant questions.

All of the 12 questions seem relevant to me, so if the test was actually 4 tests (as per JBs comment in the Mirror article), what were the results of the other 3 tests? If it was all one test, why does Mullins not consider the other 9 questions as relevant?

Hi Bridget :)

This is my interpretation. It is one test but comprises of 4 stages or 4 sets of questions. Firstly the tester has to establish through questions that the subject is telling the truth by submitting a set a questions. Secondly the tester has to establish that the subject can lie, where by the subject delivers false answers and so on till the final test....All done i one swoop, but in stages....does this make more sense?  :) :) :)
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Re: Polygraph Testing
« Reply #394 on: July 30, 2012, 10:59:AM »
Hi Patti  I agree if you are guilty of a crime by taking a polygraph test you are in danger of failing so if I was guilty of something no way would I take it even though I knew they were not full proof just would not risk it.  Anyway even if I was innocent I would fail :)

Susan, hi. I'm inclined to agree with your last statement. Under those stressful circumstances, if they asked my name, I'd give the wrong one in the belief that I'd been asked a trick question!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Polygraph Testing
« Reply #395 on: July 30, 2012, 11:04:AM »
Hi april1  I would just look guilty and act it so it would be a waste of time me taking one know what you mean about the trick question :)

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« Reply #396 on: July 30, 2012, 11:11:AM »
Hi Bridget :)

This is my interpretation. It is one test but comprises of 4 stages or 4 sets of questions. Firstly the tester has to establish through questions that the subject is telling the truth by submitting a set a questions. Secondly the tester has to establish that the subject can lie, where by the subject delivers false answers and so on till the final test....All done i one swoop, but in stages....does this make more sense?  :) :) :)

Well the stages bit sort of does, but I think it still leaves the same question - did he pass or fail the other 9 questions?

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Re: Polygraph Testing
« Reply #397 on: July 30, 2012, 11:15:AM »
What makes you think the governer would have any right to know the results? As to would he keep his trap shut, I suppose that would depend on how professional he is - even prisoners have a right to privacy.
Where did i say the governor would have a right to know the results ?

The way i see it , Mr Mullin's and the governor would have been exchanging letter's and phone call's leading up to the test , thus alerting all people in the governor's office to what was going on , all of the people who are now aware the test is going to take place are highly likely IMO to have told somebody along the way , by now i believe most of the press would have been aware the test was going to take place , once the test as been done and JB fail's , Mr Mullin's keep's the result of the test private , JB does the same , do you then think it would not be reported in Murdoch's press that multiple murderer JB is believed to have failed the test ? Even if the governor keep's it schtum !!

Now i know you are happy to believe JB worked all day on a farm , then returned to kill his family , then cycled across fields on a bike in the dark of night . Without been seen leaving or returning by his neighbour 's !!

Then stage manage a crime scene , that fooled experienced police officer's .

Then you accept a police officer could mistake a 6ft farmer , with his bottom half exposed , for a pretty model , through the kitchen window .


Then you tell us a policewoman is mistaken , when she claim's she saw a rifle in a bedroom
window .

Now i know you are a very intelligent lady , but do you really i mean really believe JB could keep secret a failed LD test  ?

It make's me wonder who you really are , could you really be somebody , who as no connection with the case as you claim , but be so entrenched in your view's ?

Do you know OJ Simpson failed a LD test ?  ;) 

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Re: Polygraph Testing
« Reply #398 on: July 30, 2012, 11:20:AM »
Well the stages bit sort of does, but I think it still leaves the same question - did he pass or fail the other 9 questions?

Morning all BTW!

Irrelevant, he has told the world he passed and his defence team acknowledged the fact he passed. He would have undoubtedly have failed some question that was part of the test. I think it would be rather silly for his defence team to support it, if he had failed....It would not hold up in court if this was the case, neither would his lawyer write to the Secretary of State with the results. I need tea...lol  :) :) :)     

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Re: Polygraph Testing
« Reply #399 on: July 30, 2012, 11:23:AM »
Where did i say the governor would have a right to know the results ?

The way i see it , Mr Mullin's and the governor would have been exchanging letter's and phone call's leading up to the test , thus alerting all people in the governor's office to what was going on , all of the people who are now aware the test is going to take place are highly likely IMO to have told somebody along the way , by now i believe most of the press would have been aware the test was going to take place , once the test as been done and JB fail's , Mr Mullin's keep's the result of the test private , JB does the same , do you then think it would not be reported in Murdoch's press that multiple murderer JB is believed to have failed the test ? Even if the governor keep's it schtum !!

Now i know you are happy to believe JB worked all day on a farm , then returned to kill his family , then cycled across fields on a bike in the dark of night . Without been seen leaving or returning by his neighbour 's !!

Then stage manage a crime scene , that fooled experienced police officer's .

Then you accept a police officer could mistake a 6ft farmer , with his bottom half exposed , for a pretty model , through the kitchen window .


Then you tell us a policewoman is mistaken , when she claim's she saw a rifle in a bedroom
window .

Now i know you are a very intelligent lady , but do you really i mean really believe JB could keep secret a failed LD test  ?

It make's me wonder who you really are , could you really be somebody , who as no connection with the case as you claim , but be so entrenched in your view's ?

Do you know OJ Simpson failed a LD test ?  ;)

Deflection aside, it is against prison rules for any officer to directly or indirectly talk to the press or anyone else about matters which become known to him in the course of his duty. So yes, I believe JB could have kept a failed LD test secret.
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Re: Polygraph Testing
« Reply #400 on: July 30, 2012, 11:24:AM »
Irrelevant, he has told the world he passed and his defence team acknowledged the fact he passed. He would have undoubtedly have failed some question that was part of the test. I think it would be rather silly for his defence team to support it, if he had failed....It would not hold up in court if this was the case, neither would his lawyer write to the Secretary of State with the results. I need tea...lol  :) :) :)   

Why has he only published the results from 3 questions out of 12 then?
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Re: Polygraph Testing
« Reply #401 on: July 30, 2012, 11:25:AM »
Brilliant post OnceSaid. Very interesting that the percentages are much higher that those on Wiki, which relies on what ever Tom, Dick or Harry writes on there. Wiki can be deemed to be flawed at times.

Jeremy Bamber volunteered to take the test in 2007:) To me, is a clear sign of him being not guilty otherwise, he would have refused the test and made up excuses for not taking it.   

I was interested in the part where it said that is can detect those trying to beat it..... :) :) :) :)
Patti, all that is needed to beat a polygraph test is a drawing pin in your shoe or have a psychopathic personality. I am afraid that this test means absolutely nothing.

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Re: Polygraph Testing
« Reply #402 on: July 30, 2012, 11:25:AM »
Deflection aside, it is against prison rules for any officer to directly or indirectly talk to the press or anyone else about matters which become known to him in the course of his duty. So yes, I believe JB could have kept a failed LD test secret.

In my opinion, his fellow lags would have got wind of it.  I doubt there's many secrets in prison.

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Re: Polygraph Testing
« Reply #403 on: July 30, 2012, 11:27:AM »
Deflection aside, it is against prison rules for any officer to directly or indirectly talk to the press or anyone else about matters which become known to him in the course of his duty. So yes, I believe JB could have kept a failed LD test secret.
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/905998-leveson-inquiry-prison-officers-paid-thousands-by-journalists


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Re: Polygraph Testing
« Reply #404 on: July 30, 2012, 11:27:AM »
Hi Patti  when I have my polygraph test I will put a drawing pin in each shoe just to make sure I pass :) ;) ;)