Polygraph Testing

[jon]

All I know is that the defence claim he has been applying to take one since 1991 but was refused until I think 2007.  This may or may not have been due to procedure / precedent? If it occurred during GDS tenure then perhaps he arranged it.  Mullins seems to be well established.  Interestingly enough, the other forum contacted GDS via twitter recently and questioned him about the Bamber case.

Can i read this anywhere Roch ?

[Bridget]

All I know is that the defence claim he has been applying to take one since 1991 but was refused until I think 2007.  This may or may not have been due to procedure / precedent? If it occurred during GDS tenure then perhaps he arranged it.  Mullins seems to be well established.  Interestingly enough, the other forum contacted GDS via twitter recently and questioned him about the Bamber case.

Yes, didn't he say he believes a 3rd party was involved, or at least that it shouldn't have been ruled out?

[Roch]

Can i read this anywhere Roch ?

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/lie-detector

http://jeremybamber.org/lie-detecor/

http://www.terrymullins.co.uk/

http://www.ukpolygraph.co.uk/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-449643/Mass-killer-Bamber-passes-lie-detector.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bamber-lie-test-proves-468144

http://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk/p/bamber-passes-lie-detector.html

[Roch]

Yes, didn't he say he believes a 3rd party was involved, or at least that it shouldn't have been ruled out?

I think I did see that.  He also asserted it was a mistake to go all out after the silencer and that it would have been better to keep gunning for SC's time of death.

[jon]

I think I did see that.  He also asserted it was a mistake to go all out after the silencer and that it would have been better to keep gunning for SC's time of death.

Thank's Roch , but i meant the talk with GDS !!

[Roch]

Thank's Roch , but i meant the talk with GDS !!

It was on the other forum Jon.  I don't have a link to it.  But I think GDS wanted to further explore the bottom rtf doc on this table.  The findings were rejected because the two professors were working from photos only.  They got the number of wounds wrong because of the pools of wet blood.

http://www.studiolegaleinternazionale.com/bamber.php4

[jon]

It was on the other forum Jon.  I don't have a link to it.  But I think GDS wanted to further explore the bottom rtf doc on this table.  The findings were rejected because the two professors were working from photos only.  They got the number of wounds wrong because of the pools of wet blood.

http://www.studiolegaleinternazionale.com/bamber.php4

Thanks very much Roch !!

[Roch]

Thanks very much Roch !!

No problem.  I wonder if GDS is right.  But I've been told that as a potential ground, it's too inconclusive a debate.   I'm with GDS though.

[jon]

No problem.  I wonder if GDS is right.  But I've been told that as a potential ground, it's too inconclusive a debate.   I'm with GDS though.

I wonder if it would have carried more weight had it been said by a blood expert used by the police before , but the CCRC covered everything with their reply , i suppose !!

[Roch]

I wonder if it would have carried more weight had it been said by a blood expert used by the police before , but the CCRC covered everything with their reply , i suppose !!

I think they also exceeded their brief.  They've gone off the logs timing for female body found downstairs, for SC.  That might have been considered a bit cheeky.  They've also been a bit free with the time Bamber was with police.  However it's the oxygenated blood that is the main thing surely?  What on earth is blood doing separately pooling in the way it has across her neck anyway.

[jon]

I think they also exceeded their brief.  They've gone off the logs timing for female body found downstairs, for SC.  That might have been considered a bit cheeky.  They've also been a bit free with the time Bamber was with police.  However it's the oxygenated blood that is the main thing surely?  What on earth is blood doing separately pooling in the way it has across her neck anyway.

I would like to have seen these blood expert's interviewed for the last documentary , i believe it would open a lot of people's eyes to this case also if GDS , ES , BW and Mr Rivilin and anyone else who as represented JB could be interviewed for a similar documentary , i believe the general public would be outraged by the obstacle's put in front of these people over the past 27 year's !!

[bob]

No, I think what he was saying is that the test was commissioned by the defence, and so it would have been up to them whether or not they disclosed the results. I agree that had he have failed the test he would have had rely on Mullins keeping his trap shut, but I assume there would be some sort of confidentiality agreement attached.

Spot on Bridget

[Roch]

I would like to have seen these blood expert's interviewed for the last documentary , i believe it would open a lot of people's eyes to this case also if GDS , ES , BW and Mr Rivilin and anyone else who as represented JB could be interviewed for a similar documentary , i believe the general public would be outraged by the obstacle's put in front of these people over the past 27 year's !!

Just some examples of the shennanigans...

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,618.msg13754.html#msg13754

Look at the first question here about gaps being filled in.

https://twitter.com/#!/Bambertweets/media/slideshow?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitpic.com%2Fa6sl3z

https://twitter.com/#!/Bambertweets/media/slideshow?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitpic.com%2Fa1dfti

https://twitter.com/#!/Bambertweets/media/slideshow?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitpic.com%2Fa15oae

[Roch]

Spot on Bridget

Have you read Mullins' opinions on the Bamber test?  He certainly doesn't sound like he's holding back.

[Bridget]

Have you read Mullins' opinions on the Bamber test?  He certainly doesn't sound like he's holding back.

Do you mean the report where he says he passed the 3 relevant questions (even though there were 12)?