Polygraph Testing

[susan]

I,m sure you will be right Mat. I thought we were talking about polygraph testing in general.

[Jane]

Good question.
Also, the time between events and the test.
The type of person being tested, could be  good at being deceptive or have told the same lies over and over again that they can now almost believe it themselves.

Mat, thanks for your reply. It sounds to me as if there are so many variables to be taken into account that the outcome could be blurred?

[guest154]

Mat, thanks for your reply. It sounds to me as if there are so many variables to be taken into account that the outcome could be blurred?

Yeah, I think so.
A test that is flawed at best and not reliable n court.....then to that you add more variables and I don't think you've got anything that is worth the paper it is written on.

[Jane]

Yeah, I think so.
A test that is flawed at best and not reliable n court.....then to that you add more variables and I don't think you've got anything that is worth the paper it is written on.

Suppose a control group was used?

[guest154]

Suppose a control group was used?

Sorry, what do you mean? (I am a bit slow today!  :D)

[Jane]

Sorry, what do you mean? (I am a bit slow today!  :D)

You and me both, Mat!!  It's been several years since I did this, but I seem to recall that every scientific experiment required a control group, the findings from which were balanced against those of the main group, but it's just occured to me that under the circumstances being suggested, this would prove difficult, if not impossible. However, my late partner assured me that there was always a solution to every problem, so there must be an answer.

[guest154]

You and me both, Mat!!  It's been several years since I did this, but I seem to recall that every scientific experiment required a control group, the findings from which were balanced against those of the main group, but it's just occured to me that under the circumstances being suggested, this would prove difficult, if not impossible. However, my late partner assured me that there was always a solution to every problem, so there must be an answer.

Ohhh, yes I see what you mean. That would be interesting to find out.

[lonny]

If you think the person being tested is innocent, and they pass, then they are accurate, if you don't, then they are not....simple.

[Jane]

If you think the person being tested is innocent, and they pass, then they are accurate, if you don't, then they are not....simple.

Yes Lonny, I agree. Seeeempals. The problem comes from the "you" factor. Lets suppose the "you" in question is us. I'm convinced that the test has been carried out correctly, the answers accurate, the person is innocent. You, however, for no other reason than you're a member of the human race and such are fallible, disagree. Which one of us is right?

May I quickly add that I don't believe Jeremy is guilty, but I can see many reasons why the results of these tests aren't given credence.

[jon]

If you read back, I said something to the effect that I believe they are junk, and you asked whether I would be prepared to sit a test to see if my belief was truthfully held. Now you want me to prove they're innacurate? Firstly I don't need to, if the tests are to ever be taken seriously they need to be proven accurate, not the other way around. Secondly, what difference is witnesses going to make? They won't know whether I'm lying either.

Why would you want to lie ?
This is just for the forum members to get to see if
the tester can be mislead , that's all , it won't make a jot of
difference to the outcome of the case , may i ask you do you know anybody
connected to this case first hand ? 

[Bridget]

Why would you want to lie ?
This is just for the forum members to get to see if
the tester can be mislead , that's all , it won't make a jot of
difference to the outcome of the case , may i ask you do you know anybody
connected to this case first hand ?

Who said I wanted to lie?

No I don't know anyone connected with the case at all.

[OnceSaid]

Morning lookout  I would think this would be taken into account by the person carrying out the test as it is human nature that a reaction of some type would be experienced before the test was taken.We will have to ask oncesaid who has obviously done research into polygraph testing.

Oh, don't ask me for my opinion, I've only just started reading up about it 

[jon]

If you read back, I said something to the effect that I believe they are junk, and you asked whether I would be prepared to sit a test to see if my belief was truthfully held. Now you want me to prove they're innacurate? Firstly I don't need to, if the tests are to ever be taken seriously they need to be proven accurate, not the other way around. Secondly, what difference is witnesses going to make? They won't know whether I'm lying either.

The last sentence gave me the impression , that you may lie !!

[Bridget]

The last sentence gave me the impression , that you may lie !!

How else would I be able to show that it was possible to beat the test?

Really Jon, I'm just trying to show you that this is a pointless excercise. If you have £500 to throw away I'd rather you donated it to Help for Heros or some other worthy cause.

[jon]

How else would I be able to show that it was possible to beat the test?

Really Jon, I'm just trying to show you that this is a pointless excercise. If you have £500 to throw away I'd rather you donated it to Help for Heros or some other worthy cause.

You may see it as pointless , i do not , you claim you are a random lady
on the internet who think's JB is guilty and him passing a polygraph means
nothing , now if you were to take one and comeback and have a change of opinion of
 the test , i think a lot of people on here would believe in the test a lot more , if you took the test
and found it is not easily beaten would you hold your hands up and say so ?