Polygraph Testing

[-Harters-]

Marie27  I would not have changed my views on polygraph testing.  How about you if he had failed would I have heard "told you he was guilty" your problem seems to be nobody can have an opinion different than yours.  I don,t think I have even mentioned Jeremy Bamber re. the posts on polygraph testing.

Yes, of course you would. 

[susan]

Morning The Jam I have been watching Jeremy Kyle long before I had heard of Jeremy Bamber and always believed the results.

[chevalier noir]

Hmm I wonder what you would have said to that if Bamber had failed?

I would take it as an indication that he was guilty of course.

[Jane]

I would take it as an indication that he was guilty of course.

Ha! Bon mots!! Bonjour, Chevalier noir et bien venue. Je parle Francais un tres, TRES petit peu!!! It's good to hear your views.

[Marie27]

Marie27  I would not have changed my views on polygraph testing.  How about you if he had failed would I have heard "told you he was guilty" your problem seems to be nobody can have an opinion different than yours.  I don,t think I have even mentioned Jeremy Bamber re. the posts on polygraph testing.

Now wait a cotton-picking minute here. Dont you go putting words in my mouth girl. I have said nothing of the sort. I am very open to anyone's opinion for or against his innocence. I just havent heard a cogent argument coming from his supporters. Not a single plausible argument. They are, by and large, complete bunkum. They are either going over the same old points time and time again or inventing crackpot theories as to why Jeremy 'couldnt have done it' Pick anybody, anybody or anything as long as it is not Bamber. The very person who attempted to sell pornographiuc photos of his dead sister to a sun journalist. The very person, who stated unequivocably 'I fucking hate my parents' The same person who put ion a song and dance act at the funerals for the media, the same person that went to claim his inheritence a day AFTER the killings. I could go on and on and you believe that this man is innocent???
This is why I give far more credence to the forensic eveidence in this case and not as some blinkered sycophant who think the sun shines out of his child-murdering psychopath's backside.

[susan]

Marie Don,t go so much on the defensive.  All I asked was am I not allowed to have a different opinion than you I was not aware that I asked you to go into detail about Jeremy Bamber being guilty.  Chill out.Your views have no effect whatsoever on mine.

[ngb1066]

A warning to Marie27, in fact a yellow card.  If you continue to post in such an aggressive manner action will be taken.  It is clear what your game is.

[lookout]

Now wait a cotton-picking minute here. Dont you go putting words in my mouth girl. I have said nothing of the sort. I am very open to anyone's opinion for or against his innocence. I just havent heard a cogent argument coming from his supporters. Not a single plausible argument. They are, by and large, complete bunkum. They are either going over the same old points time and time again or inventing crackpot theories as to why Jeremy 'couldnt have done it' Pick anybody, anybody or anything as long as it is not Bamber. The very person who attempted to sell pornographiuc photos of his dead sister to a sun journalist. The very person, who stated unequivocably 'I fucking hate my parents' The same person who put ion a song and dance act at the funerals for the media, the same person that went to claim his inheritence a day AFTER the killings. I could go on and on and you believe that this man is innocent???
This is why I give far more credence to the forensic eveidence in this case and not as some blinkered sycophant who think the sun shines out of his child-murdering psychopath's backside.

Marie,,I think a lot of 24 year olds are prone to talking in such a way about their parents at some point in their lives,,,but it doesn't mean that they are murderers or have murder in mind. It's a bit of bravado talk,,especially as it was said in the company of his then girlfriend,JM,,who later used his phrases to help convict him.
How many times have you heard someone say,," I'll kill him/her ".? Chances are,,it's those who keep quiet and inwardly scheme who are the culprits,,rather than those who tell the world.
Sad to say,,but Jeremy was pretty immature at that age anyway,,intelligent,but not clever,,and I certainly couldn't have seen him carrying out those murders at all.

I remember overhearing a next-door neighbour,,around the same age as Jeremy was then,,saying that when his grandfather " pops-off ",,he's going to take the old Rolls Royce from out of the garage and drive it round to impress the girls. This young man couldn't wait to take over the estate. It's a different story now with huge bills coming in to that once " young man " next door.

Don't forget,,Jeremy didn't exactly need the money as such because his father was funding the cottage that JB lived in,,,probably bought him his car,,and was paying him £170 a week which was worth a lot back in 1985,,so money wasn't a motive. There was no motive as regards JB,,,but there certainly was regarding Sheila.

[chevalier noir]

Ha! Bon mots!! Bonjour, Chevalier noir et bien venue. Je parle Francais un tres, TRES petit peu!!! It's good to hear your views.

Thank you mamselle April1. You speak better French than I do haha.

[boheme]

Now wait a cotton-picking minute here. Dont you go putting words in my mouth girl. I have said nothing of the sort. I am very open to anyone's opinion for or against his innocence. I just havent heard a cogent argument coming from his supporters. Not a single plausible argument. They are, by and large, complete bunkum. They are either going over the same old points time and time again or inventing crackpot theories as to why Jeremy 'couldnt have done it' Pick anybody, anybody or anything as long as it is not Bamber. The very person who attempted to sell pornographiuc photos of his dead sister to a sun journalist. The very person, who stated unequivocably 'I fucking hate my parents' The same person who put ion a song and dance act at the funerals for the media, the same person that went to claim his inheritence a day AFTER the killings. I could go on and on and you believe that this man is innocent???
This is why I give far more credence to the forensic eveidence in this case and not as some blinkered sycophant who think the sun shines out of his child-murdering psychopath's backside.

Wow ! I think you have fallen into the same trap as many people in that you think if it was not Sheila then ergo it must be JB - I don't think either of them pulled the trigger.... JB gambled on that scenario and lost, of course he could not introduce the possibility of a 3rd person being involved, the police also preferred that outcome as they had a conviction.... In my opinion it was planned in advance and JB thought he would come out of it a rich man after paying off whoever was mad enough to do it... too late now to find out who it was unless some new evidence comes to light....

[Marie27]

Marie,,I think a lot of 24 year olds are prone to talking in such a way about their parents at some point in their lives,,,but it doesn't mean that they are murderers or have murder in mind. It's a bit of bravado talk,,especially as it was said in the company of his then girlfriend,JM,,who later used his phrases to help convict him.
How many times have you heard someone say,," I'll kill him/her ".? Chances are,,it's those who keep quiet and inwardly scheme who are the culprits,,rather than those who tell the world.
Sad to say,,but Jeremy was pretty immature at that age anyway,,intelligent,but not clever,,and I certainly couldn't have seen him carrying out those murders at all.


I remember overhearing a next-door neighbour,,around the same age as Jeremy was then,,saying that when his grandfather " pops-off ",,he's going to take the old Rolls Royce from out of the garage and drive it round to impress the girls. This young man couldn't wait to take over the estate. It's a different story now with huge bills coming in to that once " young man " next door.

Don't forget,,Jeremy didn't exactly need the money as such because his father was funding the cottage that JB lived in,,,probably bought him his car,,and was paying him £170 a week which was worth a lot back in 1985,,so money wasn't a motive. There was no motive as regards JB,,,but there certainly was regarding Sheila.

No Lookout wishing for the deaths of parents it not as 'normal' as you assume that it is. There is clearly something wrong with the relationship. He did not say this in a half-jocular manner which you are trying to imply. The witness stated that 'It really did sound like hate' Moreover, there is a world or diffrence between a 15 year old hormonal adolescent saying something like this and a grown man of 24 - no matter how immature you try to present him. David Boutflour also listened in incredulity as Bamber stated 'yes, I could kill anyone, even my parents' This horrifying statement is not so easily explained away is it Lookout. The only answer to this is to deny the conversation even took place and that's what you are going to do right now isnt it? I have heard it all before.

[chevalier noir]

Wow ! I think you have fallen into the same trap as many people in that you think if it was not Sheila then ergo it must be JB - I don't think either of them pulled the trigger.... JB gambled on that scenario and lost, of course he could not introduce the possibility of a 3rd person being involved, the police also preferred that outcome as they had a conviction.... In my opinion it was planned in advance and JB thought he would come out of it a rich man after paying off whoever was mad enough to do it... too late now to find out who it was unless some new evidence comes to light....

boheme I think some people guided by hate of mister Bamber than by real facts. This seems to affect their thinking so they can not reason properly.

[lookout]

No Lookout wishing for the deaths of parents it not as 'normal' as you assume that it is. There is clearly something wrong with the relationship. He did not say this in a half-jocular manner which you are trying to imply. The witness stated that 'It really did sound like hate' Moreover, there is a world or diffrence between a 15 year old hormonal adolescent saying something like this and a grown man of 24 - no matter how immature you try to present him. David Boutflour also listened in incredulity as Bamber stated 'yes, I could kill anyone, even my parents' This horrifying statement is not so easily explained away is it Lookout. The only answer to this is to deny the conversation even took place and that's what you are going to do right now isnt it? I have heard it all before.

I am " assuming ",like everything else ,that the conversation took place ( coming from JB,it has to be tongue-in-cheek anyway ) but Jeremy wasn't the " norm ",,being a privileged boy living  a more or less sheltered life,,after being farmed out to boarding school. What a stifling and restrictive existance,,until his opportunity came to break-free of his " chains " after his parents deaths. It must have felt like a relief at first,,until actual reality set in,,,but it certainly doesn't say that he murdered anyone.
JB loved his father,,even though he was a strict disciplinarian,,which sadly,with such grounding has kept JB as strong as he is through the years and to date. The man is totally innocent.

[Marie27]

Wow ! I think you have fallen into the same trap as many people in that you think if it was not Sheila then ergo it must be JB - I don't think either of them pulled the trigger.... JB gambled on that scenario and lost, of course he could not introduce the possibility of a 3rd person being involved, the police also preferred that outcome as they had a conviction.... In my opinion it was planned in advance and JB thought he would come out of it a rich man after paying off whoever was mad enough to do it... too late now to find out who it was unless some new evidence comes to light....

Erm.........no I dont believe any of that. I think he did it alone. Narcissistic psychopaths rarely share with others even to do their dirty work. Why risk bringing in someone else? This isnt a caravan park robbery (No pun intended) This was the cold-blooded murder of five people. Incidently hitmen do not kill children as a general rule not for any price. So I think you are way off the mark. He did it alone.

[lookout]

Erm.........no I dont believe any of that. I think he did it alone. Narcissistic psychopaths rarely share with others even to do their dirty work. Why risk bringing in someone else? This isnt a caravan park robbery (No pun intended) This was the cold-blooded murder of five people. Incidently hitmen do not kill children as a general rule not for any price. So I think you are way off the mark. He did it alone.

Huh,,,no wonder the cops don't like polygrams. I wouldn't either if I was a cop,hahahaha.