Polygraph Testing

[Bridget]

Ok , i try to contact him tomorrow , maybe you could
invite one person from the guilty side and one from
the innocent side , so we can have an independent person
from either side there ?

No need, you're paying, you can set the questions, he is instructed by you therefore he can report straight back to you and not even tell me what the results are if you want.

[jon]

No need, you're paying, you can set the questions, he is instructed by you therefore he can report straight back to you and not even tell me what the results are if you want.

I would prefer one from either side there , if you don't mind , anyone who as been here
a long time , you can choose who , how can i set question's ? What do i know about you ?
He will obviously ask you to bring some sort of concrete proof of who you are , i suppose .
Do you know , how it work's ?
Ideally Keira and Vic could be there , both very sensible people , but it's up to you to make a suggestion !!

[Roch]

Perhaps it was my suggestion that Rochford intended to put me over his knee to mete out some spanking and harsh discipline

You won't be able to sit down at this rate  :D

[Bridget]

I would prefer one from either side there , if you don't mind , anyone who as been here
a long time , you can choose who , how can i set question's ? What do i know about you ?
He will obviously ask you to bring some sort of concrete proof of who you are , i suppose .
Do you know , how it work's ?
Ideally Keira and Vic could be there , both very sensible people , but it's up to you to make a suggestion !!

Well you said you wanted to test my opinion as to the validity of LD tests. I can sort out the control questions with him. I don't really see why that shoud involve anyone else.

[-Harters-]

I wouldn't rely too heavily on these tests - Ted Bundy passed a polygraph test and we all know how that ended!

It seems the experiment has already been carried out. 

[jon]

Well you said you wanted to test my opinion as to the validity of LD tests. I can sort out the control questions with him. I don't really see why that shoud involve anyone else.

I am only asking you to prove you can beat the tester , for the sake of this forum , so for us
on here to get a full run down of how it work's we need people from opposing sides on
 here there . Have a think about it overnight and if you are up for it tomorrow let me know .
 Night !! By the way was she semi sitting on the floor or bed 

[Bridget]

I am only asking you to prove you can beat the tester , for the sake of this forum , so for us
on here to get a full run down of how it work's we need people from opposing sides on
 here there . Have a think about it overnight and if you are up for it tomorrow let me know .
 Night !! By the way was she semi sitting on the floor or bed 

I didn't say I could 'beat the tester', I said LD tests are bollocks (or words to the effect) so any test result is not going to make a difference to my opinion.

Goodnight, sleep tight, as my grandmorther used to say...

[susan]

Hi egap1  I was just jealous that Roch was going to put you across his knee and spank you.  I just think you have all the fun and I just get old men with busy eyebrows.

[Jane]

Hi egap1  I was just jealous that Roch was going to put you across his knee and spank you.  I just think you have all the fun and I just get old men with busy eyebrows.

Nothing wrong with old(er) men with bushy eyebrows, Susan. They're just as........no, I won't go any further!!!!!

[chevalier noir]

I am sorry Patti you seem to have been totally mislead. Firstly, a lie detector test, or polygraph test to give it's correct name is a test has little or no validity amongst scientists or courts of law. Lie detection has a long history in mythology and fairy tales; the polygraph has allowed modern fiction to use a device more easily seen as scientific and plausible. It is a test that measures normal human responses to questions. The belief is that deceptive answers will produce physiological responses that can be differentiated from those associated with non-deceptive answers.
Secondly, based on the first statement, it presumes that all humans will exhibit the same responses if they try to be deceiptful in the answers to questions - sweating, shaking, increased heart rate, facial blushing etc. These are direct results of feelings of guilt, embarassment, shame and the knowledge that one has just told a lie etc. However, in a psychopath these normal physiological responses are, by-and-large, absent. Therefore the psychopath will appear to be telling the truth when questioned as they will exhib normal responses to highly important questions.
For a psychopath to tell a lie is second nature and therefore will exhib virtually no physiological response.
Polygraphy has also been faulted for failing to trap known spies such as double-agent Aldrich Ames, who passed two polygraph tests while spying for the Soviet Union. Whereas serial murderers Ted Bundy and Green River killer Gary Ridgeway to name but a few have passed these without any difficulty at all.
In short, it is a useless tool and had been widely discredited by scientists and psychologists alike, especially in Europe where it is mostly used by defendants trying to add weight to their protestations of their innocence.  It CANNOT detect people using methods designed to beat it.
It is probably best summed up on this site 'How to Cheat a Polygraph'
http://www.wikihow.com/Cheat-a-Polygraph-Test-(Lie-Detector)

I am sorry madame marie27. But what you say here is I must humbly object to and say that it is not true. I apologise madame. But scientists take this polygraph testing completely seriously. So much so that they are currently experimenting with a new type of testing device which measures brain waves.
further more, this testing is increasingly being used by bosses on employees. Police on suspects and psychologists on paedophiles. The success rates are considered by advocates to be 80% accurate and by opponents to be 70% accurate. Only a difference of 10%. Therefore they are considered to be useful and certainly not as you suggest to have little or no value among scientists. A very misleading statement indeed.

[Marie27]

I would prefer one from either side there , if you don't mind , anyone who as been here
a long time , you can choose who , how can i set question's ? What do i know about you ?
He will obviously ask you to bring some sort of concrete proof of who you are , i suppose .
Do you know , how it work's ?
Ideally Keira and Vic could be there , both very sensible people , but it's up to you to make a suggestion !!

Why bother bringing 'concrete proof of who you are'? when all the examiner has to do is ask her her name. If it's a lie it will register.  C'mon have you no faith..............? :D

[susan]

Hi maria27  yes I see in your post 51 regarding  the bedcovers on June and Ralphs bed you state it was a cool night in posts 58 and 61 you state hot and humid and that is why Sheila just lay on top of the bed like you do yourself.

[Bridget]

I am sorry madame marie27. But what you say here is I must humbly object to and say that it is not true. I apologise madame. But scientists take this polygraph testing completely seriously. So much so that they are currently experimenting with a new type of testing device which measures brain waves.
further more, this testing is increasingly being used by bosses on employees. Police on suspects and psychologists on paedophiles. The success rates are considered by advocates to be 80% accurate and by opponents to be 70% accurate. Only a difference of 10%. Therefore they are considered to be useful and certainly not as you suggest to have little or no value among scientists. A very misleading statement indeed.

I think you're talking about the brain waves project which covers an awful lot more than lie detecting. If those scientists had such faith in polygraphs, why would they bother with brain waves?

[chevalier noir]

I think you're talking about the brain waves project which covers an awful lot more than lie detecting. If those scientists had such faith in polygraphs, why would they bother with brain waves?

I apologise madame for pressing my point which was that scientists are very much interested in polygraph testing as so are crime departments all over the world and in britain. My comment was addressed to madame marie27 who commented that scientists do not consider them seriously.

[susan]

Morning Bridget  please don,t start a war with France