Sheila's feet

[andrea]

i havent so far read anything about socks being in the bucket with the underwear, but why did ann eaton take them knickers home with her, i find that puzzling.

[Kaldin]

i havent so far read anything about socks being in the bucket with the underwear, but why did ann eaton take them knickers home with her, i find that puzzling.

She took them home? I didn't know that.

[andrea]

yes she did, there is mention of it on a police document somewhere.

[Kaldin]

yes she did, there is mention of it on a police document somewhere.

Now that's very weird ....

[mike tesko]

yes she did, there is mention of it on a police document somewhere.

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In addition to the contaminated knickers, there was also some other garments inside that same bucket, all soaking together, which Ann Eaton took home in the boot of her car to wash...

There is no actual record of what these other garments were, only a reference to the bucket being found in the Kitchen, next to Ralph Bambers body, a bucket full of cold water with the aforementioned items soaking in them - now my question is this, was there any blood on any of the other garments? If so, were these garments which Sheila had been wearing?

Now, you may think I am jumping the gun so to speak when I draw everyones attention to the fact that there was some sort of a mix up, regarding the exhibit references for nightdresses found upon the victims or at the scene which has been puzzling me for some time, for example:-

Sheila's nightdress - ND/3

June Bambers nightdress - ND/5 and or ND/6?

Since there were only two female victims in this tragedy, why the mix up regarding three nightdresses? Was one originally found soaking in the same bucket of cold water in the kitchen as the contaminated knickers? If so, did that nightdress have any blood upon it? How do we know or how does anybody know that any blood that mixed with all the garments contaminated in that bucket, only originated from the blood contaminated knickers? What if there was a bloodstained nightdress soaking in that bucket of cold water in the kitchen?

Why don't the police make any mention of that bucket or its contents, in the new file SC/786/85?

[Kaldin]

From the Appeal document.

The deceased's feet were also free from blood staining

BLOOD ON SHEILA'S FEET

From www.policeoracle.com/news/Fresh-Appeal-In-1984-Murder-Case%3F_30395.html

Other newly disclosed photographs indicate blood on Sheila's hands and feet. However, at the trial the prosecution claimed her hands and feet were perfectly clean. Summing up, the trial judge, Mr Justice Drake, said: "I have reminded you of the fact – and it is a fact – that when she was found she had no marks of blood on the soles of her feet and no marks of having handled bullets on her hands."

If Sheila had walked over a carpet with blood on it, I would have thought someone would challenge the suggestion that there was no blood on her feet.

[mb1]

What words are used for the bucket's contents? Underwear could mean socks...

Was SB wearing knickers when found? Were these clean?

[Kaldin]

In addition to the contaminated knickers, there was also some other garments inside that same bucket, all soaking together, which Ann Eaton took home in the boot of her car to wash...

There is no actual record of what these other garments were, only a reference to the bucket being found in the Kitchen, next to Ralph Bambers body, a bucket full of cold water with the aforementioned items soaking in them - now my question is this, was there any blood on any of the other garments? If so, were these garments which Sheila had been wearing?

Now, you may think I am jumping the gun so to speak when I draw everyones attention to the fact that there was some sort of a mix up, regarding the exhibit references for nightdresses found upon the victims or at the scene which has been puzzling me for some time, for example:-

Sheila's nightdress - ND/3

June Bambers nightdress - ND/5 and or ND/6?

Since there were only two female victims in this tragedy, why the mix up regarding three nightdresses? Was one originally found soaking in the same bucket of cold water in the kitchen as the contaminated knickers? If so, did that nightdress have any blood upon it? How do we know or how does anybody know that any blood that mixed with all the garments contaminated in that bucket, only originated from the blood contaminated knickers? What if there was a bloodstained nightdress soaking in that bucket of cold water in the kitchen?

Why don't the police make any mention of that bucket or its contents, in the new file SC/786/85?

I'm afraid I only read your first sentence and had to reply. 

Are you saying that Ann Eaton took the stuff she found in a bucket home with her to wash? Five of her relatives were dead - gunned down in a hail of bullets, there was blood everywhere, and she was concerned about washing some items she found in a bucket? Items that none of them would wear again.

I'd like to hear more about this. Is there a statement from her about it somewhere?

[mb1]

Strangely, I can see why she took them. Shock and grief and a need to make things 'right and normal' might be the answer. I'd like to think myself clean and tidy, but when my friend with OCD visits it's a hoot watching her try to take control of someone else's environment. Sad too.

I'm more bothered by what was in the bucket. Contaminated knickers and... Perhaps AE remembers?

And was 'contaminated' the police term? Avoiding the word blood?

Or macho response to unclean!     

[Kaldin]

More to the point, why would Sheila leave her knickers soaking in a bucket of water? That's quite odd as well.

[mike tesko]

In addition to the contaminated knickers, there was also some other garments inside that same bucket, all soaking together, which Ann Eaton took home in the boot of her car to wash...

There is no actual record of what these other garments were, only a reference to the bucket being found in the Kitchen, next to Ralph Bambers body, a bucket full of cold water with the aforementioned items soaking in them - now my question is this, was there any blood on any of the other garments? If so, were these garments which Sheila had been wearing?

Now, you may think I am jumping the gun so to speak when I draw everyones attention to the fact that there was some sort of a mix up, regarding the exhibit references for nightdresses found upon the victims or at the scene which has been puzzling me for some time, for example:-

Sheila's nightdress - ND/3

June Bambers nightdress - ND/5 and or ND/6?

Since there were only two female victims in this tragedy, why the mix up regarding three nightdresses? Was one originally found soaking in the same bucket of cold water in the kitchen as the contaminated knickers? If so, did that nightdress have any blood upon it? How do we know or how does anybody know that any blood that mixed with all the garments contaminated in that bucket, only originated from the blood contaminated knickers? What if there was a bloodstained nightdress soaking in that bucket of cold water in the kitchen?

Why don't the police make any mention of that bucket or its contents, in the new file SC/786/85?

I'm afraid I only read your first sentence and had to reply. 

Are you saying that Ann Eaton took the stuff she found in a bucket home with her to wash? Five of her relatives were dead - gunned down in a hail of bullets, there was blood everywhere, and she was concerned about washing some items she found in a bucket? Items that none of them would wear again.

I'd like to hear more about this. Is there a statement from her about it somewhere?

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Yes, some where, she took the lot home and washed it all...

[Kaldin]

I find a lot of this stuff quite bizarre ...

[andrea]

sheila was mestruating at the time of the murders, i guess she was caught short by her period, hence the knickers soaking in a bucket. when she was found she wasnt wearing any knickers.

[Kaldin]

sheila was mestruating at the time of the murders, i guess she was caught short by her period, hence the knickers soaking in a bucket. when she was found she wasnt wearing any knickers.

I know that, but I still think it's bizarre to leave them in a bucket of water in the kitchen.

[andrea]

there is mention also on the sleuthing site of conversation and a police officer. anne eaton says "menstrualblood smells different doesnt it" officer replies "well you make sure you tell the that in court if your asked" im sure mike could locate the document for us to see?