The silencer, hand swab, and scratch marks on the aga, Conspiracy...

[Bridget]

I wonder Bridget tho, how did she get shot the way she did in this scenario.  At what point did she lie down?

If I had to guess it would be after the first shot, but it's just a guess, I admit.

[bloggs and son]

I wonder Bridget tho, how did she get shot the way she did in this scenario.  At what point did she lie down?

The only ones who were shot accurately were the twins and Sheila. The twins were probably asleep. And Sheila was not moving, but very still and obviously not asleep, unless she was in the habit of sleeping on the floor. Both June and Ralph were moving about which explains the many shots to their bodies.
But Sheila was lying still. Now you must ask yourself, why was that. Can you REALLY believe that a  person, any person would lie still and calmly let someone shoot them? Of course not. It is bordering on the ridiculous to even suggest it. So what do some do? They have to speculate and make up silly stories, like "she was drugged" or "she was scared stiff". Just think of it a moment. Her children had been killed. Her parents had been murdered. Can you honestly believe that she would submit to someone who told her to lie down and shoot herself? It is a silly scenario. It is much more logical to believe that she shot herself. The simplest explanation is generally the right one.

[Nuala]

The only ones who were shot accurately were the twins and Sheila. The twins were probably asleep. And Sheila was not moving, but very still and obviously not asleep, unless she was in the habit of sleeping on the floor. Both June and Ralph were moving about which explains the many shots to their bodies.
But Sheila was lying still. Now you must ask yourself, why was that. Can you REALLY believe that a  person, any person would lie still and calmly let someone shoot them? Of course not. It is bordering on the ridiculous to even suggest it. So what some do? They have to speculate and make up silly stories, like "she was drugged" or "she was scared stiff". Just think of it a moment. Her children had been killed. Her parents had been murdered. Can you honestly believe that she would submit to someone who told her to lie down and shoot herself? It is a silly scenario. It is much more logical to believe that she shot herself. The simplest explanation is generally the right one.

I totally agree, it belies belief that Sheila would not have fought off a someone who had just killed her parents and her boys and who was now about to kill her. Yet where are the defensive wounds? She had none. Great post, Grahame.

[guest154]

Who's saying that Ralph and June were killed before Sheila? Why does she have to have been last. Sheila could have been forced into that room at gun point and made to get down, who wouldn't if they had a gun pointing at them.

Jeremy holds Ralph, June and Sheila in there and when Sheila is down he shoots her. Ralph and June freak - they get fired at. Ralph makes it out of the room.

[Nuala]

Who's saying that Ralph and June were killed before Sheila? Why does she have to have been last. Sheila could have been forced into that room at gun point and made to get down, who wouldn't if they had a gun pointing at them.

Jeremy holds Ralph, June and Sheila in there and when Sheila is down he shoots her. Ralph and June freak - they get fired at. Ralph makes it out of the room.

The lack of RM and Lividity say it. Look at the photos.

[guest154]

The lack of RM and Lividity say it. Look at the photos.

You're telling me to LOOK at a PHOTO for RM?

[guest154]

Even if Sheila was killed last, who is to say she knew that the twins had been killed? She could have been following orders - get down on the floor and I'll leave the twins alone - worried that if she made too much noise, the twins would get up and come investigate.

It's all just theories.

[-Harters-]

Maybe Sheilas mental health caused her to react in a way which would seem unusual, we keep being told how unpredictable her behaviour could have been, maybe she became placid and dosile rather than being enraged, particularly if she had witnessed her children being murdered.

Junes blood was also found under Sheilas body on the carpet.

[Nuala]

You're telling me to LOOK at a PHOTO for RM?

Yes. Nevill's position: RM
       June's lividity
       
       Sheila - body and arms moved between different photos: no or minimal RM
                 - little or no lividity
                 
       

[bloggs and son]

You're telling me to LOOK at a PHOTO for RM?

The blood on Sheila's neck is still running and is not cracked which it probably would be if it had dried. Why take photos if they can't be relied on?

[Nuala]

The blood on Sheila's neck is still running and is not cracked which it probably would be if it had dried. Why take photos if they can't be relied on?

Thank you, Grahame, good point

[maggie]

The only ones who were shot accurately were the twins and Sheila. The twins were probably asleep. And Sheila was not moving, but very still and obviously not asleep, unless she was in the habit of sleeping on the floor. Both June and Ralph were moving about which explains the many shots to their bodies.
But Sheila was lying still. Now you must ask yourself, why was that. Can you REALLY believe that a  person, any person would lie still and calmly let someone shoot them? Of course not. It is bordering on the ridiculous to even suggest it. So what do some do? They have to speculate and make up silly stories, like "she was drugged" or "she was scared stiff". Just think of it a moment. Her children had been killed. Her parents had been murdered. Can you honestly believe that she would submit to someone who told her to lie down and shoot herself? It is a silly scenario. It is much more logical to believe that she shot herself. The simplest explanation is generally the right one.

Out of al that I would take 'the simplest scenario is usually the right one'

[Nuala]

Yes. Nevill's position: RM
       June's lividity
       
       Sheila - body and arms moved between different photos: no or minimal RM
                 - little or no lividity
                 
     

Also, the description of Sheila by one of the officers, something along the lines of:

her skin was as white as marble

[guest154]

The blood on Sheila's neck is still running and is not cracked which it probably would be if it had dried. Why take photos if they can't be relied on?

It's not 'running' though. And people have said it looks wet, it could be the flash. Don't forget we're looking at scans on a PC screen.

[bloggs and son]

Even if Sheila was killed last, who is to say she knew that the twins had been killed? She could have been following orders - get down on the floor and I'll leave the twins alone - worried that if she made too much noise, the twins would get up and come investigate.

It's all just theories.

Read the crime scene Mat. Those who were fighting for their lives are shot many times. Those who were passive are still. There is absolutely no indication that anyone else was there at all. No clues. Nothing.