The silencer, hand swab, and scratch marks on the aga, Conspiracy...

[Bridget]

What do you mean.? " Tar everyone with the same brush.".?

Are you not familiar with the phrase, or are you asking why I said it?

[Bridget]

Trouble is bridget schizophrenia wasnt really understood even in the 80s and it was all a bit hit and miss. Remember schizophrenics were still kept in locked wards at that time. Sheila had insisted on halving her injection dose just before the deaths. Also I dont think the pm showed all her drugs she was prescribed in her body. As these drugs would in laymans terms be described as 'to dumb her down' it would appear to be a very dangrrous situation. Of course,without all those accesible guns and ammo it would have been much more difficult to cause such havoc.

I assume the halving of the dose was agreed and monitored by her doctor though.

Even taking Sheila out of the equation I've always thought it odd that there were guns etc lying around with 6 year olds in the house. I accept that this was probably the norm in the average working farmhouse, but the kids hadn't been brought up in that environment. It's easy to criticise after the fact I suppose.

[lookout]

In case you didn't understand,Bridget,,I was using Sheila as an example of how a mental illness strikes,,,and it matters not about wealth and good looks. There is no way that I would decry her in any way.

[maggie]

There were no traces of hard drugs in her blood, only cannabis from a few days previous.

Was skunk around in the 1980s. Its now the most common cannabis but is  classed as a class A drug in holland and has very little bearing on original'hashish' . Skunk can cause mental illness and psychotic episodes in people without any underlining mental illness.Sheila woudh have been highly susceptible to this.imho

[maggie]

I assume the halving of the dose was agreed and monitored by her doctor though.

Even taking Sheila out of the equation I've always thought it odd that there were guns etc lying around with 6 year olds in the house. I accept that this was probably the norm in the average working farmhouse, but the kids hadn't been brought up in that environment. It's easy to criticise after the fact I suppose.

[Bridget]

Was skunk around in the 1980s. Its now the most common cannabis but is  classed as a class A drug in holland and has very little bearing on original'hashish' . Skunk can cause mental illness and psychotic episodes in people without any underlining mental illness.Sheila woudh have been highly susceptible to this.imho

I don't recall it being around, but couldn't say for sure. Drugs have never been my scene.

[lookout]

I assume the halving of the dose was agreed and monitored by her doctor though.

Even taking Sheila out of the equation I've always thought it odd that there were guns etc lying around with 6 year olds in the house. I accept that this was probably the norm in the average working farmhouse, but the kids hadn't been brought up in that environment. It's easy to criticise after the fact I suppose.

Well I'm sorry,,but I didn't agree with her doctor for reducing her medication.The worst thing he could have done. They're not always right.

No,,it wasn't the wisest thing to have guns around the place with children,,,and they weren't always locked in the cabinet,but as you say,that goes with the territory.

[maggie]

Bridget that is a massive and sudden drop in medication which should be lowered extremely slowly over a long period of time. Her dr was a local GP who wouldnt have much if any knowledge of such a specialised field. I believe Sheila requested the drop because of the side effects. If she was adamant half a dose was maybe thought to be better than nothing but he couldnt force her to take medication she didnt want. The family wouldnt be aware of the dNgers. I know it was no doubt the norm to be so casual with guns but they were the real culprit in my opinion.

[-Harters-]

Even taking Sheila out of the equation I've always thought it odd that there were guns etc lying around with 6 year olds in the house. I accept that this was probably the norm in the average working farmhouse, but the kids hadn't been brought up in that environment. It's easy to criticise after the fact I suppose.

I guess that's the thing isn't it, we can all go back and pick faults after the event.

I'm not sure that the level of care and safety for the firearms in the house was unusually lax for the era, although I admittedly have nothing to offer as a comparison.

[maggie]

I don't recall it being around, but couldn't say for sure. Drugs have never been my scene.

No but have had experience of someone taking it...its the nastiest stuff. Hard to find if it was around in Wealthier parts of London at that time.

[maggie]

I guess that's the thing isn't it, we can all go back and pick faults after the event.

I'm not sure that the level of care and safety for the firearms in the house was unusually lax for the era, although I admittedly have nothing to offer as a comparison.

Um not picking holes or laying blame at anyones door but it has to be true. Without guns to hand the damage must have been greatly reduced.imho

[-Harters-]

Um not picking holes or laying blame at anyones door but it has to be true. Without guns to hand the damage must have been greatly reduced.imho

Yes, but they'd be overrun with rabbits. 

You are of course correct though, if there were no guns on the premises then it wouldn't have occurred as it did. It must surely be the case that a large proportion of gun crimes are committed on a farm or with firearms associated with a farm.

[Bridget]

Um not picking holes or laying blame at anyones door but it has to be true. Without guns to hand the damage must have been greatly reduced.imho

When I was applying for a shotgun licence the police said that one of the reasons for the requirement for a locked cabinet was to prevent an intruder using my own gun against me. That said, I can see why if guns are used on a daily basis it would be irritating to keep having to retrieve them from a locked cabinet.

[-Harters-]

When I was applying for a shotgun licence the police said that one of the reasons for the requirement for a locked cabinet was to prevent an intruder using my own gun against me. That said, I can see why if guns are used on a daily basis it would be irritating to keep having to retrieve them from a locked cabinet.

I'm only repeating what I've read elsewhere, but I understood that a locked cabinet only became a requirement a couple of years later, 1987 I think, or just after, following the Hungerford Massacre.

[-Harters-]

I'm only repeating what I've read elsewhere, but I understood that a locked cabinet only became a requirement a couple of years later, 1987 I think, or just after, following the Hungerford Massacre.

Again, I may be wrong, but I also understand that ammunition does not need to be stored in a locked cabinet, although it's obviously common sense to do so.