The silencer, hand swab, and scratch marks on the aga, Conspiracy...

[bloggs and son]

There was DNA matching 17 out of 20 markers when compared to Sheila's mother's, so, given the fairly limited range of people whose DNA could possibly be in the silencer, yes Sheila's DNA was in the silencer. The issue at appeal was however, how it got there.

I thought that Robert Boutflour had the same blood group as Sheila?

[Roch]

I believe they should be treated as if they are really innocent. That doesn't mean that I will personally deep down believe that they are, but I would accept that they are. Put it this way, if JB gets his conviction quashed on some technicality or other I won't begrudge him any compensation he receives.

I am learning more about your approach to the case and legal stuff in general.  I suppose you are right (regarding conviction quashed etc).  The flip side if you take this approach is that conviction sort of equates to definitely guilty.

[Bridget]

I thought that Robert Boutflour had the same blood group as Sheila?

He did, but DNA is a whole different kettle o fish

[bloggs and son]

Says who?

That is an intriguing question. Why did Jeremy show Sheila how to load the gun? Was it he who approached her? Or was it she who approached Jeremy?

[-Harters-]

I am learning more about your approach to the case and legal stuff in general.  I suppose you are right (regarding conviction quashed etc).  The flip side if you take this approach is that conviction sort of equates to definitely guilty.

In the eyes of the law, yes.

[bloggs and son]

Doesn't have to be a relative Bridget, anyone can have a certain amount of corresponding DNA.

Has anyone asked themselves why Jeremy wanted the silencer tested again? If he was guilty then surely this would be the last thing that he would have wanted? Abit like the relatives not wanting everything under PII to be released?

[Bridget]

I am learning more about your approach to the case and legal stuff in general.  I suppose you are right (regarding conviction quashed etc).  The flip side if you take this approach is that conviction sort of equates to definitely guilty.

Sort of. The system is not infallible, and so there can always be doubt as to guilt. But a person is always innocent until and unless guilt is proven.

[Bridget]

That is an intriguing question. Why did Jeremy show Sheila how to load the gun? Was it he who approached her? Or was it she who approached Jeremy?

Did he show her how to load the gun?

[mertol22]

Hi Neil  I was told recently by Mat that they had virtually stopped compensation but I think if Jeremy was released according to Chochok Eira Jeremy would make a fortune from book deals and a film deal

Hello Susan i understand 10 million is the upper limit now .

[guest154]

Has anyone asked themselves why Jeremy wanted the silencer tested again? If he was guilty then surely this would be the last thing that he would have wanted? Abit like the relatives not wanting everything under PII to be released?

Grahame, you seem like a smart member. Don't buy into the PII material and the secret folders. The key to the case doesn't sit in the PII - some people have misinterpreted the PII material on here and got it very wrong.
It isn't the case that the police can just put anything they wish under PII - they need to have a reason for it and it goes past the judges first.

[susan]

Hi mertol wow 10million

[bloggs and son]

You are avoiding the question, whether it's a handful of officers or the entire Essex Police force, what are they covering up?

Bridget, don't you think you are asking the wrong question? Should it be, why are the police covering up by refusing to release that which they have held from both the prosecution and the defence for 27 years?

[Patti]

In 1991 the City of London Police, (COLP) undertook an enquiry due to allegations made by Jeremy Bamber to the Police Complaints Authority (now known as the IPCC). The investigation was undertaken to determine whether his allegations of police misconduct in investigating the deaths of his family on 7th August 1985 were meritorious.
2. However COLP was instructed by the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) to edit any evidence that came under their scrutiny which would incriminate police officers of Essex Police as to a finding that their initial investigation was tainted. Jeremy Bamber was not aware of this until recently.
3. This was due to the Dickinson enquiry (1985-86) and the fact that all evidence that came under scrutiny in that enquiry regarding police misconduct was placed under public interest immunity, (PII).

[andrea]

Grahame, you seem like a smart member. Don't buy into the PII material and the secret folders. The key to the case doesn't sit in the PII - some people have misinterpreted the PII material on here and got it very wrong.
It isn't the case that the police can just put anything they wish under PII - they need to have a reason for it and it goes past the judges first.

What do you think could be held under PII, mat?.

[bloggs and son]

lol, so who did it belong to then? Some random relative of hers who just happened to be walking by?

Perhaps some relative who believed JB to be a murderer and just wanted to make sure he went down? As I said Robert Boutflour had the same blood group as Sheila.