Sheila on the bed, photo's withheld, blankets / sheets destroyed, carpets burned

[Roch]

an officer put Sheila in the recovery position

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The bloodstain partially covering the bible.  What caused it?

[mertol22]

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The bloodstain partially covering the bible.  What caused it?

Find out why the bible is there and the answer will follow that blood looks from a previous time.

[bloggs and son]

where death is recent i.e within the hour , limbs can be loosened once more after placing in a coffin due to cold room/mortuary holding the removals on the day in question i very suspect no attempts would have been made to ease removal as the deseased were all shot i.e did not die of natural causes, the removal fibreglass coffins are in general  bigger inside than a normal one there is no packing inside.

Does the body relax again after a while Mertol?

[mertol22]

Does the body relax again after a while Mertol?

some do grahame female more than male so when i see the image of Sheila on the floor you may have your answer there, will be back later, i can say if i had been part of the removal team on that day RM would not be my guide to determine the duration of deaths.

[Roch]

Find out why the bible is there and the answer will follow that blood looks from a previous time.

Well it's definitely from a previous event, that must be true Mertz.

[packagebuilder]

Why?

they burned the carpets & blankets to stop anyone from reconstructing the crime scene.

distroyed the exibits in 1996 against the forces own policy to stop anyone reconstructing the crime scene and the police know by 2000 it be possible for advanced tech equipment to tell whos the killer was or is!!! 

the whole case is a flop!! they burned everything on a large bonfire in the yard at WFH which is illegal!! I can't see a police force in todays standards doing that! but I would say that was wrong back then!!

bankets have been burned to hide evidence!! like Sheila's blood stains!!!!

most photos are hidden the police know this, CCPS knows this, and COLP know it, and to WE know this is  true to hide the truth!

 

[packagebuilder]

the only way we are going to get hold of the photo's is phyically steal them!!! but finding out where the photos are stored and security etc etc is the hard part unless you get inside info!

So having the photo of SC on the bed with June.

and the  the photo of Shelia's footprint in RB blood pool! would prove alot!!

First  her feet can't have been clear, unless they were cleaned before suicide or the police cleaned her feet to move her or Fuck ups with the first lot of swop/swap of the hands and feet!

and being on the bed and ending up on the floor is hard for a dead body/ies to do... the police said they never touched anything....? lies

I would say too giving jeremy a whole taff life sentence is there to secure the photos & conviction etc... so if jeremy did serve his sentence before the Home sec upgraded it. what impact could JB had as a free man...  into requesting all the photos then proving he didn't do it!!

[Patti]

Why?

they burned the carpets & blankets to stop anyone from reconstructing the crime scene.

distroyed the exibits in 1996 against the forces own policy to stop anyone reconstructing the crime scene and the police know by 2000 it be possible for advanced tech equipment to tell whos the killer was or is!!! 

the whole case is a flop!! they burned everything on a large bonfire in the yard at WFH which is illegal!! I can't see a police force in todays standards doing that! but I would say that was wrong back then!!

bankets have been burned to hide evidence!! like Sheila's blood stains!!!!

most photos are hidden the police know this, CCPS knows this, and COLP know it, and to WE know this is  true to hide the truth!

I agree...A cuddle is on its way, we all need them at some point in our life. 

[Roch]

I would say too, that giving Jeremy a whole taff life sentence is there to secure the photos & conviction etc... so if Jeremy did serve his sentence before the Home sec upgraded it, what impact could JB have had as a free man...  into requesting all the photos then proving he didn't do it!!

Perhaps Michael Howard may have been manipulated in to doing this / an opportunity was seized, due to the political current of the time.

Ann Widdecombe did after all say that Howard had "something of the night about him"  :D

[Jane]

Perhaps Michael Howard may have been manipulated in to doing this / an opportunity was seized, due to the political current of the time.

Ann Widdecombe did after all say that Howard had "something of the night about him"  :D

I've previously asked how wide and high might this go, and does greater elevation mean greater difficulty in deconstructing it?

[Roch]

I've previously asked how wide and high might this go, and does greater elevation mean greater difficulty in deconstructing it?

I very much doubt that it is some great conspiracy laden with full knowledge on the part of participants.  I think it's more likely that certain people know more than others and certain people have been misled.  It's also a messy case and a can of worms.  It's far easier to just have a villain, than to open the can.

[Jane]

I very much doubt that it is some great conspiracy laden with full knowledge on the part of participants.  I think it's more likely that certain people know more than others and certain people have been misled.  It's also a messy case and a can of worms.  It's far easier to just have a villain, than to open the can.

Oh! I am perfectly certain it didn't start out that way, so perhaps "conspiracy" is too strong a word and although I didn't use it, I may have implied it. However, I believe it took shape, insidiously, until it became necessary to pull in others in order to keep the lid on it. So much more convenient and tidier to sit it on one persons shoulders.

[lookout]

Oh! I am perfectly certain it didn't start out that way, so perhaps "conspiracy" is too strong a word and although I didn't use it, I may have implied it. However, I believe it took shape, insidiously, until it became necessary to pull in others in order to keep the lid on it. So much more convenient and tidier to sit it on one persons shoulders.

The word I'd use for this case is f*****-up.  After the good " old-timer ",Taff Jones departed,,,the whole thing took a complete and unjustified turnaround by Taffs' namesake,whose flock of sheep followed him in the worst miscarriage of justice that this country will ever see.

[Roch]

The word I'd use for this case is f*****-up.  After the good " old-timer ",Taff Jones departed,,,the whole thing took a complete and unjustified turnaround by Taffs' namesake,whose flock of sheep followed him in the worst miscarriage of justice that this country will ever see.

Quite possibly but what are the odds that Colin Caffell, the relatives, police officers and Julie Mugford would all turn against an innocent Bamber?  The odds are probably the same as a person being guilty, who has been framed by a dodgy exhibit and passed a polygraph.  Paracetamol sales are on the up.

Re your DS Jones remark.  It is Ainsley who interests me.  Where did he come from, how did he become involved and at what stage did he become involved?  I am not referring solely to his official capacity / instalment.

[lookout]

Quite possibly but what are the odds that Colin Caffell, the relatives, police officers and Julie Mugford would all turn against an innocent Bamber?  The odds are probably the same as a person being guilty, who has been framed by a dodgy exhibit and passed a polygraph.  Paracetamol sales are on the up.

Re your DS Jones remark.  It is Ainsley who interests me.  Where did he come from, how did he become involved and at what stage did he become involved?  I am not referring solely to his official capacity / instalment.

I am thinking that Ainsley was involved from early on in the investigation,,,but I'll have to refer to my encyclopaedia of notes. I've forgotten exactly how and what part he took but if I remember rightly,,he added more fuel to the case against Jeremy.This was the chap who,after retiring,went to work for DB as a security advisor at the caravan park.( ironic,or what ?. )
DC Ainsley headed the second part of the investigation into the deaths.