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Offline Bridget

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« Reply #105 on: June 01, 2012, 10:35:AM »
Forget that, I see what you mean. The red thing is an eiderdown, not an item of clothing.
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« Reply #106 on: June 01, 2012, 10:37:AM »
Hi Bridget just had another look and you are right as usual I think I should be "put down" :) :) :)

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« Reply #107 on: June 01, 2012, 10:38:AM »
She slept in the bed without the clothing on it, the far one, but left her clothing on the spare bed, the near one.
I wonder if the silencer was used, why weren't they all shot whilst they slept? Or wasn't the silencer any use at all?

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« Reply #108 on: June 01, 2012, 10:40:AM »
I wonder if the silencer was used, why weren't they all shot whilst they slept? Or wasn't the silencer any use at all?

Unfortunately for them death wasn't instant, was it, so someone will probably have cried out, even if the the attacker wasn't otherwise heard.
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« Reply #109 on: June 01, 2012, 10:44:AM »
Unfortunately for them death wasn't instant, was it, so someone will probably have cried out, even if the the attacker wasn't otherwise heard.
So why use the silencer?

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« Reply #110 on: June 01, 2012, 10:44:AM »
So why use the silencer?

Because the attacker didn't know that death wouldn't be instant perhaps?
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« Reply #111 on: June 01, 2012, 10:52:AM »
Because the attacker didn't know that death wouldn't be instant perhaps?
If they were asleep then surely they had all the time in the world to aim at their heads? After all isn't it often said by some that every shot found its mark? Sorry if I sound as if I'm cross examining you. Sound a bit pompous I know. ::) ;D

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« Reply #112 on: June 01, 2012, 10:53:AM »
Because the attacker didn't know that death wouldn't be instant perhaps?
Hi everyone, but if the attacker wa expecting to quietly kill all the family without rousing them, why were the twins killed in their sleep with a hail of bullets and why was sheila the only person who appeared to have been killed 'cleanly'?

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« Reply #113 on: June 01, 2012, 11:00:AM »
Hi everyone, but if the attacker wa expecting to quietly kill all the family without rousing them, why were the twins killed in their sleep with a hail of bullets and why was sheila the only person who appeared to have been killed 'cleanly'?

Good questions Maggie. Like every other theory on this case, my answers are only guesswork. Sheila was killed cleanly because she was killed first. The twins were killed with a hail of bullets because the situation was under control and they were killed last.

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« Reply #114 on: June 01, 2012, 11:00:AM »
If they were asleep then surely they had all the time in the world to aim at their heads? After all isn't it often said by some that every shot found its mark? Sorry if I sound as if I'm cross examining you. Sound a bit pompous I know. ::) ;D

No worries. It was a creeky old house, maybe they heard the attacker creeping around, maybe the attacker struggled a bit with the darkness, who knows?
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« Reply #115 on: June 01, 2012, 11:04:AM »
No worries. It was a creeky old house, maybe they heard the attacker creeping around, maybe the attacker struggled a bit with the darkness, who knows?
So Bridget, Jeremy would certainly know it was a creaky old house and would have taken that into account, also he knew there was a dog which should have barked.  I can understand that June and Ralph could have been disturbed hence the mayhem but why all those bullets into the sleeping boys and then the connundrum of Sheila's death. :-\

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« Reply #116 on: June 01, 2012, 11:09:AM »
So Bridget, Jeremy would certainly know it was a creaky old house and would have taken that into account, also he knew there was a dog which should have barked.  I can understand that June and Ralph could have been disturbed hence the mayhem but why all those bullets into the sleeping boys and then the connundrum of Sheila's death. :-\

I don't know, with the boys panic and revulsion at what he was doing maybe? Who knows what goes through the mind of a person doing that.

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« Reply #117 on: June 01, 2012, 11:14:AM »
I don't know, with the boys panic and revulsion at what he was doing maybe? Who knows what goes through the mind of a person doing that.
Absolutely and who knows who would be capable of something like that?  Not a rational person, thats for sure.  'Panic and revulsion' ...do you think he would only realise that when in the throes of it?  To my mind only a psychopath without feeling could seriously contemplate such a crime. 

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« Reply #118 on: June 01, 2012, 11:23:AM »
I don't know, with the boys panic and revulsion at what he was doing maybe? Who knows what goes through the mind of a person doing that.
It's beyond me how anyone can rationally believe an otherwise sane person could possibly carryout such a crime.  It's a crime almost beyond comprehension to the ordinary person.  Somehow people can blithely say, Jeremy must have done it because they believe Sheila couldn't have done... that's a very poor argument.  The only way anyone could believe Jeremy had done it has to be with some concrete proof, he also has to be proven to have the capability.

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« Reply #119 on: June 01, 2012, 11:25:AM »
Good morning all.
If the " intruder " had been familiar with guns and wanted an instant hit on all the family,,then a shotgun would have been the more appropriate weapon seeing as there were a few to choose from.
Other than that I would have said that more than one rifle was used to save re-loading and the avoidance of the residue that went with it.

Is there an inventory anywhere on the amount of ammunition used when the armed raid took place. ?
I understand it has to be checked by the armory,before and after a raid.