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Offline Patti

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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #75 on: May 31, 2012, 10:08:PM »
But what they knew (or believed) was that Sheila had shot everyone, why would they change tack at the whim of the relatives, and at risk of their careers?

But my lovely Bridget, that is exactly what they did do, change tack. Because of the relatives, otherwise it would have stayed 4 murders and a suicide.   :P

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« Reply #76 on: June 01, 2012, 12:21:AM »
But my lovely Bridget, that is exactly what they did do, change tack. Because of the relatives, otherwise it would have stayed 4 murders and a suicide.   :P

Yes. Why?
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« Reply #77 on: June 01, 2012, 12:26:AM »
I have forgotten who took the hand swabs,but he admitted that he had never done it before and was not familiar with the procedure.
Regarding Sheilas clothes......Junes day clothes are clearly visible on a stool? in her bedroom.In the crimescene photo of Sheilas bedroom,there doesnt appear to be any day clothes lying around.

There is clearly an item of clothing on the bed next to the one Sheila was sleeping in, I can't tell what cos the pictures here are not good quality and I'm on a phone. Plus, in the photos here less than half of Sheila's bedroom is visible.
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« Reply #78 on: June 01, 2012, 12:46:AM »
There is clearly an item of clothing on the bed next to the one Sheila was sleeping in, I can't tell what cos the pictures here are not good quality and I'm on a phone. Plus, in the photos here less than half of Sheila's bedroom is visible.

Not sure if these are any clearer...


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« Reply #79 on: June 01, 2012, 01:23:AM »
Hi Si...:)

Scott Lomax had first hand knowledge of many documents etc that was not handed over to the defence. Scott says he has seen many photographs too...this is what he said about the scratch marks...

Some of the most persuasive arguments for Jeremy’s defence, which were never presented to the jury because the police hid the evidence until recent years, are: the fact that the police were in conversation with someone who, if Jeremy was guilty, must have been dead; that hidden photographs show Jeremy’s parents both had their arms viciously scratched by someone with long nails at around the time of their death;

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Hey Patti, Hope you are well. Vanezis makes absolutely no mention of any scratch marks, especially any vicious ones. I do tend to side with Vanezis, having actually seen the body in situ. Vicious scratch marks would surely have been seen and noted.

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« Reply #80 on: June 01, 2012, 06:46:AM »
Yes. Why?

Morning Bridget :) Well why?  ;)

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« Reply #81 on: June 01, 2012, 07:09:AM »
Hey Patti, Hope you are well. Vanezis makes absolutely no mention of any scratch marks, especially any vicious ones. I do tend to side with Vanezis, having actually seen the body in situ. Vicious scratch marks would surely have been seen and noted.

Hi Simon, I'm fine thank you. No he doesn't, but Lomax does, saying that he had seen them on photographs. Venezis stated that the marks on Nevill's arm could have been made by the end of the rifle...To me the marks could look like scratch marks or the barrel end of the gun. He also doesn't mention the scar on Sheila's hand, which she got from putting her hand through the window. He does mention a V shape mark on June's breast.... :) :) :)


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« Reply #82 on: June 01, 2012, 07:56:AM »
The Scar on Sheilas hand was old scar and unconnected to the murders, maybe thats why he didnt mention it?

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« Reply #83 on: June 01, 2012, 07:56:AM »
But what they knew (or believed) was that Sheila had shot everyone, why would they change tack at the whim of the relatives, and at risk of their careers?

Hi Bridget, didn't mean to ignore you but bed was calling. Will reply to this later.


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« Reply #84 on: June 01, 2012, 08:37:AM »
The Scar on Sheilas hand was old scar and unconnected to the murders, maybe thats why he didnt mention it?

Hi sagar, maybe you are right, but he did mention the scar on one of the twins face, plus a scar on June's tummy....Sheila's hands were important, I would have thought he would have given it a mention... :) :) :)

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« Reply #85 on: June 01, 2012, 08:38:AM »
Not sure if these are any clearer...

Much, thank you. There is at least 3 items of clothing there.
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« Reply #86 on: June 01, 2012, 08:41:AM »
Morning Bridget  Dare I ask if you have a thread for the clothing on the bed :) ;) ;)

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« Reply #87 on: June 01, 2012, 08:43:AM »
Morning Susan :)

Dare I guess that you can't see the pictures? ;)
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« Reply #88 on: June 01, 2012, 08:48:AM »
Bridget you got it in one ;) ;) ;)

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« Reply #89 on: June 01, 2012, 08:52:AM »
Ok, in a little while I'll try to find you direct links to those pics (they're on the 'official' website), I can't do it at the moment cos that website doesn't display them on my phone.
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