Guilty?

[JackiePreece]

He wasn't very open about burgling the caravan site though was he?

It was hardly the crime of the century and there's someone on the other forum who has a member of her family with a string of convictions talk about pot kettle

The cheque fraud was far better planned and more serious and Jeremy wasn't involved

Let's have a guess who thought it was easy to rob the family caravan park

Probably the same person who found it easy to go from shop to shop in Oxford street using stolen cheque books

[Jane]

Hi Sparkle  I think you are right about good looking young men they are often arrogant and full of themselves especially when they have had such an upbringing as Jeremy private school own house at a young age car all provided by his Father I think they are brought up thinking they are special as his Father did not like him mixing with local lads that he may have to employ one day I know a situation exactly the same not a 2 miles from where I live.

egap1, Susan outlines here very clearly why Jeremy gained his reputation. After an expensive education he did little of any consequence and at 24 was still doing the kind of work often done by students. Maybe at the time he had no interest in academia. Maybe he had no need to earn, other than to top up his allowance from time to time. Nothing he did seems to have lasted for long. I wonder just how easy it was for him to make friends without feeling the need to impress. I imagine most young men of his age (and social set) would have been chasing those careers that you mentioned as being suitable, and as those careers took off it could have left him feeling very humiliated and needing to "big" himself up.

[Roch]

Are you honestly suggesting that the police have hidden the clothing Sheila was wearing when she shot everyone?

No, though I wouldn't put it past them.  What I'm suggesting is that they presented a false case in order to secure conviction.  The case they presented should therefore be regarded with the utmost caution and rigour, such as you often apply to defence arguments.  I wish you would test your own methods on the prosecution case.

[susan]

Hi lookout  I agree Jeremy was not clever enough to have planned the murders of his family his Father called him a nancy boy because he did not like shooting rabbits this is what has been reported anyway  had he planned the murders he would have planned a much better alibi for himself and hung onto the keys to the farmhouse I know I would.  I think he liked to impress talking big to his girl friend but he was a silly harmless nice young man who craved attention perhaps he felt he had missed out on that as a child.  Very sad indeed.

[susan]

Hi April  I always thought it was an accepted thing that Jeremy would settle down and end up on the farm.  I seem to remember that Ralph said that the extra land he bought would do for Jeremy to work it for himself (don,t quote me on this) Maybe he was sowing his wild oats hopping from one thing to another.  Sheila was privately educated but she did not make much of a career for herself either but maybe her illness played a part in that who knows.

[JackiePreece]

I think his life was pretty normal like most other people today, he went traveling , had a few low paid jobs which he enjoyed and probably had a laugh, ended up the farm and was probably looking to settle down with someone nice, he liked to have a girlfriend

A couple more years and he might have been married with a baby

All quite normal

[Bridget]

It was hardly the crime of the century and there's someone on the other forum who has a member of her family with a string of convictions talk about pot kettle

The cheque fraud was far better planned and more serious and Jeremy wasn't involved

Let's have a guess who thought it was easy to rob the family caravan park

Probably the same person who found it easy to go from shop to shop in Oxford street using stolen cheque books

Neither is weed growing but his confession to that was being used as an example of his openness.

What on earth do other forum member's families have to do with this?

[Jane]

egap1, Susan outlines here very clearly why Jeremy gained his reputation. After an expensive education he did little of any consequence and at 24 was still doing the kind of work often done by students. Maybe at the time he had no interest in academia. Maybe he had no need to earn, other than to top up his allowance from time to time. Nothing he did seems to have lasted for long. I wonder just how easy it was for him to make friends without feeling the need to impress. I imagine most young men of his age (and social set) would have been chasing those careers that you mentioned as being suitable, and as those careers took off it could have left him feeling very humiliated and needing to "big" himself up.

[Bridget]

No, though I wouldn't put it past them.  What I'm suggesting is that they presented a false case in order to secure conviction.  The case they presented should therefore be regarded with the utmost caution and rigour, such as you often apply to defence arguments.  I wish you would test your own methods on the prosecution case.

So the forensic scientists who tested the blood on the nightie are in on it too?

[susan]

Hi egap  I agree I cannot be sure at all that Jeremy was arrogant it is just bits I have read on here.  I know how difficult it was for him no family nobody to offer support it must have been hellish and it will have been for the past 27 years as his birth parents rejected for a second time.

It is strange I have lived in the north all my life and have never heard of the North/South divide and certainly never thought people from the South were "up themselves" maybe that is because I have quite alot of family living in the South but I must admit some of them are "up themselves"but they are from the North and living in the South.

I certainly don,t think you are being contrary at all  because it is just bits I have read how true are they who knows.

[Jane]

Hi April  I always thought it was an accepted thing that Jeremy would settle down and end up on the farm.  I seem to remember that Ralph said that the extra land he bought would do for Jeremy to work it for himself (don,t quote me on this) Maybe he was sowing his wild oats hopping from one thing to another.  Sheila was privately educated but she did not make much of a career for herself either but maybe her illness played a part in that who knows.

Susan, that extra piece of land could, at best, have been wishful thinking on Nevills' part(did it NEVER occur to him that Jeremy may have wanted to do something other than farm?) or, at worst, another piece of emotional rope with which to tie him to the farm.

[jon]

So the forensic scientists who tested the blood on the nightie are in on it too?

How many people in the Simon Hall case , do you believe are ' in on it ' ?

[susan]

Hi April  I don,t think the land was bought purely for Jeremy it was something to do with family matters Ralph thought it was going to be sold for development so he felt he had to buy it.  vidvic knows the full story he will explain when he is on.

[Bridget]

How many people in the Simon Hall case , do you believe are ' in on it ' ?

In on falsifying evidence? None.

[jon]

In on falsifying evidence? None.

So you believe the CPS showed the court trying SH , a true version of events without falsifying anything ?