Letter contents written by Colin Caffell to Ralph Bamber sparks off shootings

[vidvic]

After Sheila was discharged from hospital and prior to the shootings I should think, because Colin refers to looking after the children etc...

So you wrote the thread title without knowing when the letter was sent?

[mertol22]

I don't believe it was ever sent patti. If I'm wrong then I apologise now, but I believe this is the unsent letter (which I've seen before) and if I'm right, and not sent, it could not have influenced the shootings as described in the thread title.

Another point. Jeremy said that they discussed the fostering of the children on the night of the murders, Jeremy pushing this as a possible motive for Sheila's violent reaction.

It is quite clear from this letter that Colin very much was in control of the children and would simply have stopped them from being fostered.

For me, it is a clear indication that the alleged discussion the night before the murders didn't happen.

Im not so sure, at any point were the boys given a choice to sit and pray at the foot of the bed with June , the letter mentions this does it not ?

[vidvic]

Sorry Mertol, I don't get your point.

[mertol22]

I too like patti have a hardback copy of colins book, this issue is there in the letter about the forced praying.

[vidvic]

According to Scott lomax, this letter was never sent.

[vidvic]

So, how could an unsent letter 'spark off the shootings' mike?

[curiousessex]

Mike

Thank you for posting the letter.

On a first read and in my opinion, the letter as posted would be regarded as evidence that contradicts Jeremy's alleged claims that Nevill and June Bamber were actively discussing the possiblity of making arrangements for Sheila to have the twins fostered. Such discussions being the trigger for Sheila to turn violent and use the gun Jeremy had not secured safely after Jeremy had been outside to try and shoot some rabbits.

If Nevill had received such a letter from Colin such discussions, as alleged by Jeremy, with Sheila whilst involving June but not including Colin would only serve to alienate Colin from Nevill. In my opinion, it is also clear from the letter, as posted, Colin regards Nevill as a potential ally in resolving a matter that had been affecting his two young boys. As such, I would very much doubt Nevill would want to alienate Colin as Colin's letter appears to be very reasonable in terms of it being a request for help to a man who has earnt Colin's confidence.

In my opinion, the letter does not support and is inconsistent with the case of the defence.

[Patti]

CC says the children are 5 years old in the letter. Given the fact they were 6 in June 1985....and the letter is not dated, it had to have been written between June 1984 to June 1985.   

[vidvic]

Mike

Thank you for posting the letter.

On a first read and in my opinion, the letter as posted would be regarded as evidence that contradicts Jeremy's alleged claims that Nevill and June Bamber were actively discussing the possiblity of making arrangements for Sheila to have the twins fostered. Such discussions being the trigger for Sheila to turn violent and use the gun Jeremy had not secured safely after Jeremy had been outside to try and shoot some rabbits.

If Nevill had received such a letter from Colin such discussions, as alleged by Jeremy, with Sheila whilst involving June but not including Colin would only serve to alienate Colin from Nevill. In my opinion, it is also clear from the letter, as posted, Colin regards Nevill as a potential ally in resolving a matter that had been affecting his two young boys. As such, I would very much doubt Nevill would want to alienate Colin as Colin's letter appears to be very reasonable in terms of it being a request for help to a man who has earnt Colin's confidence.

In my opinion, the letter does not support and is inconsistent with the case of the defence.

Absolutely.

[Patti]

Mike

Thank you for posting the letter.

On a first read and in my opinion, the letter as posted would be regarded as evidence that contradicts Jeremy's alleged claims that Nevill and June Bamber were actively discussing the possiblity of making arrangements for Sheila to have the twins fostered. Such discussions being the trigger for Sheila to turn violent and use the gun Jeremy had not secured safely after Jeremy had been outside to try and shoot some rabbits.

If Nevill had received such a letter from Colin such discussions, as alleged by Jeremy, with Sheila whilst involving June but not including Colin would only serve to alienate Colin from Nevill. In my opinion, it is also clear from the letter, as posted, Colin regards Nevill as a potential ally in resolving a matter that had been affecting his two young boys. As such, I would very much doubt Nevill would want to alienate Colin as Colin's letter appears to be very reasonable in terms of it being a request for help to a man who has earnt Colin's confidence.

In my opinion, the letter does not support and is inconsistent with the case of the defence.

Hi Curious. The twins had been in foster care before. I agree we do not know the conversation that happened that night, all we have is what Jeremy tells us and that is that her mother had wanted SC to come and live closer to them and take a job at the caravan site.....and during that time the children could be in foster care.....If you read all of what Jeremy says that is what they were implying....I might be wrong, but you can certainly challenge me on it.   JB goes on to say that his mother said she might be better off living at JB's cottage....I doubt if Jeremy would have liked that after spending all that cash on his home over the past year.....and I dare bet Sheila who hated the place would wish to give up her independence. 

There were issues about the gal Curious, you can't run from that....poor poor woman was confused...the teachers had raised concerns, Colin had raised concerns, Colins mum had raised concerns and Freddie had raised concerns.....In the end, the children lived with Colin...they were happy....Unfortunately Sheila was not, she was in her own world.

Whoever committed these crimes Curious, was very sick indeed.....

[Patti]

Very, very sad.

Is the test done? 

[tyler]

Somebody close to the Bambers has backed up Jeremys claim that fostering was indeed being discussed by the family.Im not prepared to say who as Jeremy may decide to use this information in the future.
Since June and Nevill were discussing Sheila going to stay away somewhere to help her get better,then it is very possible that the Bambers were thinking of bringing the twins down to Essex so that they could retain contact with them.Its obvious that Colin would have not allowed this but that wouldnt necessarily have stopped the Bambers discussing it?

[ajross]

So, how could an unsent letter 'spark off the shootings' mike?

So how and why has this letter been used in your opinion? Is it something cc gave to the police for example, or taken from a property that wasn't the the farm

[susan]

Hi tyler  the fact that the twins lived with their Father would this fostering suggestion affected Sheila so badly maybe from the point of it stirred up feelings about her own adoption and I seem to think I read she was fostered for a short time herself during June,s illness.

[susan]

Hi Patti  can you give me some information on the letter you are talking about must have missed it again good thing I don,t travel by bus