Distinguishing marks (condition of Hypostasis) left on body by items, articles

[bloggs and son]

Hi Grahame where do you find the fancy signs Hartley has them as well do I?

don't know/ Just ask him.

[mike tesko]

Hi Mike....I am sorry but do we have to see these photo's.....they are bit you know...gruesome 

Yes, I know they are disturbing but in order to make the point about the weight of the rifle being atop Sheila's body for over seven hours, and it leaving or producing marks or areas of paleness upon her legs and thighs (which are absent in Sheila's case), it is necessary to drum the point home to everyone, so that nobody can be in any sort of doubt that Jeremy could not have killed his sister in the bedroom around or before 3am, and stage managed her body by placing the rifle in the alleged position it was found in and later photographed by the police. I am afraid to say that there were / are no such marks on Sheila's body because the rifle was not found upon her body whilst she was laid on the bedroom floor, and that an absence of these marks or areas of paleness of the skin is evidence that Jeremy could not and did not kill his sister in the bedroom and he did not stage manage her body with use of the rifle upon it, whilst her body was on any bedroom floor, and that it was the police who stage managed the body on the floor with this particular rifle because it was a semi-automatic type capable of administering a second shot by recoil in the eyes of police at the scene at the material time. Police went about stage managing the scene in the bedroom with Sheila as the guinea pig and the rifle as a prop to give an impression that she had somehow taken her own life, and shot herself twice in the process...

[tonyb]

Yes, I know they are disturbing but in order to make the point about the weight of the rifle being atop Sheila's body for over seven hours, and it leaving or producing marks or areas of paleness upon her legs and thighs (which are absent in Sheila's case), it is necessary to drum the point home to everyone, so that nobody can be in any sort of doubt that Jeremy could not have killed his sister in the bedroom around or before 3am, and stage managed her body by placing the rifle in the alleged position it was found in and later photographed by the police. I am afraid to say that there were / are no such marks on Sheila's body because the rifle was not found upon her body whilst she was laid on the bedroom floor, and that an absence of these marks or areas of paleness of the skin is evidence that Jeremy could not and did not kill his sister in the bedroom and he did not stage manage her body with use of the rifle upon it, whilst her body was on any bedroom floor, and that it was the police who stage managed the body on the floor with this particular rifle because it was a semi-automatic type capable of administering a second shot by recoil in the eyes of police at the scene at the material time. Police went about stage managing the scene in the bedroom with Sheila as the guinea pig and the rifle as a prop to give an impression that she had somehow taken her own life, and shot herself twice in the process...

have you calculated the pressure exerted by the rifle? there are many,many variables.
i would imagine the BMI of the victim may play a role? the exact muscle group in question?
I dont know but random images dont support your view im afraid

[tonyb]

it may be slightly off thread but why were the bodies cremated?

[mike tesko]

According to police they say they found Sheila's body on the bedroom floor with the rifle atop it, in particular, the wooden butt of the rifle resting directly upon her thighs and legs, which would have had to be resting there for nigh on over and above seven hours. The reason there are no marks on her legs and thighs in the corresponding parts of her body where we are led to believe this rifle had been resting for all that time, is because Sheila's body was not found there with the rifle atop it. It's all big lie made up by the police to cover up for her being shot a second time in the bedroom...

[tonyb]

Mike. Can you remember if the picture on the bed shows no condition of hypotasis??

[NewChilledOutHartley]

it may be slightly off thread but why were the bodies cremated?

It was Jeremy's decision to have them cremated, despite the views of other relatives.

The twins were buried, I guess at the request of their father Colin.

[mike tesko]

According to police they say they found Sheila's body on the bedroom floor with the rifle atop it, in particular, the wooden butt of the rifle resting directly upon her thighs and legs, which would have had to be resting there for nigh on over and above seven hours. The reason there are no marks on her legs and thighs in the corresponding parts of her body where we are led to believe this rifle had been resting for all that time, is because Sheila's body was not found there with the rifle atop it. It's all big lie made up by the police to cover up for her being shot a second time in the bedroom...

Police say they didn't move anything, except Sheila's right hand so that PC Bird (SOC) could take pictures of blood on the front lower part of her nightdress, but other photographic evidence which was not originally disclosed shows that police moved the gun, her nightdress and her arm, as well as many other items in the bedroom...

[mike tesko]

Mike. Can you remember if the picture on the bed shows no condition of hypotasis??

Of course I can remember, there was no evidence at all of Hypostasis on the visible parts of her body, not on her legs or her thighs - police put the rifle onto her body once they moved it to the bedroom floor, and after she had received the second shot which is what the stage managing was / is all about...

[mike tesko]

It was Jeremy's decision to have them cremated, despite the views of other relatives.

The twins were buried, I guess at the request of their father Colin.

Hang on a minute, police and relatives could have put a stop to it, at the opening of the inquest on 14th August 1985, or anytime in the interim period between then and the date the bodies were cremated, if all this nonsense about the find of the silencer on 10th August 1985, and its examination on 13th August 1985 was / is true, so stop trying to pin the blame on Jeremy who knew nothing about the so called silencer by that stage. The fact that police and relatives appear to have done nothing to prevent or delay disposal of the bodies by those means strongly suggests that the evidence of the silencer found by relatives did not come into play until after the nature of the investigation changed, and DCS Ainsley took over the new investigation (SC/786/85)?

[mike tesko]

As I say...

If you kill Sheila on the bedroom floor, and you placve the rifle that you used to kill her on top of her body so that the wooden butt of the rifle is in direct contact with her thighs and legs, for over seven hours, there is obviously going to be some signs on her body to show where the rifle in question which you placed there was resting. It would be impossible for there not to be any marks on the corresponding parts of her body if that had been the scenario. Further more, there would have been evidence on the lower parts of her fingers on her right hand that were supposedly resting upon the gun, but no such evidence exists because the rifle was placed there later during the stage managing process...

[NewChilledOutHartley]

Hang on a minute, police and relatives could have put a stop to it, at the opening of the inquest on 14th August 1985, or anytime in the interim period between then and the date the bodies were cremated, if all this nonsense about the find of the silencer on 10th August 1985, and its examination on 13th August 1985 was / is true, so stop trying to pin the blame on Jeremy who knew nothing about the so called silencer by that stage. The fact that police and relatives appear to have done nothing to prevent or delay disposal of the bodies by those means strongly suggests that the evidence of the silencer found by relatives did not come into play until after the nature of the investigation changed, and DCS Ainsley took over the new investigation (SC/786/85)?

Why are you quoting me? Your post doesn't seem to relate? 

[mike tesko]

Police and relatives could have put a stop to it, and would have put a stop to it, if the silencer evidence as we are being fed was true, but we all know it was / is not true,and that is why police and relatives did nothing to prevent or delay the disposal of the bodies...

[NewChilledOutHartley]

Police and relatives could have put a stop to it, and would have put a stop to it, if the silencer evidence as we are being fed was true, but we all know it was / is not true,and that is why police and relatives did nothing to prevent or delay the disposal of the bodies...

Oh, I see, we are being random. In that case could I take the opportunity to ask if you have had a chance to consider the requests below yet? Many thanks in advance. 

Ooooh goody, you're taking requests 

Now let's see, as you are suggesting there are a number of different versions, then in order to maintain/instigate transparency, let's have all of the different versions posted, that way members of the forum can view them all and come to their own conclusions. It would certainly stimulate debate.

So, back to the requests:

1. Please could you post all statements made by PC Saxby (and court transcripts if he was called).

There is nothing from him currently on the forum, he stayed behind at the car CA07 whilst Bewes, Myall and Jeremy walked the perimeter of the house. He was one of the three police officers to first arrive at the scene.

2. Please could you post all statements made by PC Myall.

Currently the only thing from him on the forum is a court transcript located here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,185.msg488.html#msg488
He was another of the three officers who first attended the scene and he is central to Mikes theory of a sighting of movement in the house. I don't understand how the theory could be considered without viewing his statements.

3. Please could you post all statements made by PS Bewes (and court transcripts if he was called).

Currently there is nothing from him on the forum, he was again one of the first three officers to attend the scene and again central to Mikes theory of a sighting of movement in the house.

4. Please could you post all statements made by PC Collins ( and court transcripts if he was called).

Currently there is nothing from him on the forum. PC Collins was a member of the firearms team and amongst the first to enter the house. It was PC Collins who looked through the kitchen window and saw the body of Nevill whom he mistakenly identified as a female. PC Collins is central to Mikes theory that there were two bodies discovered in the kitchen, it must surely be absolutely crucial to see his statements in order to consider this particular theory of Mikes.

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Also, to stop me badgering, Mike if you do not have these statements and you are therefore unable to post them, then please let me know and I will stop asking you for them. 

EDIT: NB: I'm aware of the various interviews available on 'Youtube', but let's start at the beginning.

[mike tesko]

So...

police at the scene stage manage Sheila's body in the bedroom and plant the rifle on top of the body, and move it about considerably, they adjust the hem of Sheila's nightdress, and then place the rifle against her crotch, barrel  moved against her neck, all supported by reference to crime scene photoghrphs, yet the relatives don't bat an eye lid - they don't think police did anything wrong, because they want to blame Jeremy for doing the very things the police are responsible for doing...