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Jim Swire, a breath of fresh air?
« on: May 22, 2012, 07:53:PM »
The man who wrote this piece for The Times is the father of a murder victim.  His approach to the convicted murderer and to the case evidence, provides an interesting contrast to the approach taken in the main case on this forum...

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I first saw Baset al-Megrahi on the morning of 1st of May 2000. He was below us in the well of the specially convened trial court at Kamp Zeist, Holland. With me were Reverend John Mosey and other friends. Close to us, to one side of the public gallery, sat his wife Aisha and his family.

 Looking through the bullet proof glass towards Baset in the dock he seemed timid, never venturing to speak out for himself. Later we learned that his defence team had told him that he was not to speak in court, but to let them do all the talking on his behalf.

 We were totally unprepared for the comment from another observer in the gallery:- "How could you sit so near to the filth?" he said.

This was presumably naked racism, coupled to a profound a priori presumption of guilt unencumbered by the inconvenience of having to prove it. Similar hatred has festered for some, and contributed to the blinding of many ever since.

Separation from his family was the cruellest consequence of Baset’s conviction. He loved them dearly, as they did him. His wife the gentle Aisha was almost always present whenever I met her husband once he was out of prison, and on licence in Tripoli, though unlike her husband, she had no English, any more than I had any Arabic. Her demeanour revealed her love for him and her trust towards me an outsider who had seen through the miscarriage of justice. Only near the very end did she leave us alone together, holding hands, for speech was difficult.

On my first actually meeting Baset in Greenock prison, he was calm but determined to clear his name. He must have known that we had campaigned for years to have him tried under Scots law. Yet there was not a word of complaint, though his cancer, already giving him pain on sitting, was then in evidence.

A devout Muslim, he had a Christmas card from the prison shop ready for me, on it he had written ‘Dr Swire and family, please pray for me and my family’. 

I treasure it. It resoundingly trumps the arrogance of the comment from Zeist, quoted above. It drains the poison from it.

Baset’s excellent mastery of English, and his good natured but wholehearted support for certain Scottish football teams, made him popular with the other prisoners almost all who met him, both at Greenock and at Barlinnie, came to believe him innocent. Meeting him, with his calm and intelligent summing up of his predicament spoke of determination to ensure that the world should learn that the verdict was unjust.

At least before he died we learned what he already knew: that the whole story that a Libyan bomb using a long running timer had started its journey from Malta was not a fable, but a myth*. The famed timer fragment ‘PT35b’ could never have been part of one of the Libyan timers allegedly used. There is now no valid evidence left from the court that either Malta, her flag carrier airline, or Baset’s own country were involved. Baset has a valid alibi: he was in Malta that day! He died knowing that in the end the truth will emerge.

On release from prison, his valedictory letter to Scotland made clear that he attached no blame to her people for what had happened to him. This from a man wrongly segregated from his family for years, and in the grip of a terrible disease, tells us much about the nature of Baset al-Megrahi. No one can be sure how much the stress of his terrible predicament affected his immune system and thus contributed to the development of his fatal disease.

Later, when I met him in Tripoli he was concerned that I as a victim’s father should get access, on his death, to all the information that had been amassed to fight his abandoned appeal. He knew that I still grieved for my daughter and sought the truth as to who had really murdered her. On the brink of his own death, he found the spirit to empathise with me. That was a measure of this man.

It is a tragedy that we have failed to overturn the verdict while he was still alive. But we must clear his name posthumously for the sake of truth and justice and for the future peace of Baset’s family. If we do nothing then a great evil will have triumphed. Perhaps those few Westerners who came to know him much better than I did will speak up for him now.

Baset was an intelligent member of an alien culture who I came to respect for his dignity, humanity and frankness. I am proud to have known him.

In our culture there are also those who, blinding themselves to the profound failure of the evidence against Baset, have deliberately tried to suppress the truth, and even to deny that Baset was mortally sick. Some of them have clearly done it knowing what they were doing. Some seem actually to have been paid to do it. One can only pray for them.

Others, understandably consumed by hatred against a man they genuinely believed had murdered their relatives advocated the withholding of treatment, even of painkillers so that he might die as quickly as possible and in the utmost agony. 

I believe that such personal reactions are profoundly destructive to those who hold them. Unwittingly they have allowed themselves to become victims of the very terrorism which they rightly loathe; as such they will need help when the truth does come out.

Therein will lie a number of individual further tragedies.

Jim Swire

(20th May 2012),
« Last Edit: May 22, 2012, 07:53:PM by rochford »

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Re: Jim Swire, a breath of fresh air?
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2012, 08:04:PM »
Rochy

This should stand as a warning to those who make assumptions and judge too quickly. The state can preach anything at us but its up to individuals to question and search for the truth. Jim Swire is a compassionate and humane man.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2012, 08:06:PM by maggie »

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Re: Jim Swire, a breath of fresh air?
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2012, 08:09:PM »
That man has learned a lesson we all would do well to learn.

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Re: Jim Swire, a breath of fresh air?
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2012, 08:21:PM »
Interesting responses.  He appears to me to be unpompous, non-judgmental, humane, genuinely interested in evidence, truth-seeking and intelligent.

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Re: Jim Swire, a breath of fresh air?
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2012, 08:29:PM »
Wow Amazing man, you are right Maggie, Jim just wanted to get to the truth
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Re: Jim Swire, a breath of fresh air?
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2012, 08:31:PM »
Interesting responses.  He appears to me to be unpompous, non-judgmental, humane, genuinely interested in evidence, truth-seeking and intelligent.
He does appear to be all of those things Rochy, there were quite a number of relatives of victims of the Lockerbie bomb who didn't believe he was guilty.

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Re: Jim Swire, a breath of fresh air?
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2012, 08:40:PM »
Jim Swire saw through all the c**p etc, he plainly could see evidence was questionable to say the least.

Al-Magrahi was a 'patsy'.

How risky was it to place a timed bomb in luggage on a plane in Malta then expect it to go via Frankfurt and London to go off when on final journey to the States, and not have it go missing/or explode en route?

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Re: Jim Swire, a breath of fresh air?
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2012, 08:43:PM »
I don't know if Al-Megrahi is innocent.  Perhaps he is, perhaps he's not. 

Maybe Jim is a sucker for 'conspiracy theories' as some might put it?  Maybe Al-Megrahi fooled those prisoners in Scottish jails because he is a player?  He was allegedly in intelligence operative.  maybe Al-Megrahi was a sacrificial lamb, fulfilling the age old role of the villain?  Some of the victims' families certainly cant let go of the villain, while perhaps others take a similar view to Jim? 

Is it subjective whether a convicted criminal is a patsy or just plain guilty as sin?
« Last Edit: May 22, 2012, 08:46:PM by rochford »

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Re: Jim Swire, a breath of fresh air?
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2012, 08:47:PM »
He does appear to be all of those things Rochy, there were quite a number of relatives of victims of the Lockerbie bomb who didn't believe he was guilty.





The opposite is true too, though.

People just trust the authorities and find it so hard to believe they would lie, but they, understandably, can't fathom how al-Magrahi was released back to Libya.

My mother is one of those people - her family's house is one that was hit by part of the plane in Lockerbie.

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Re: Jim Swire, a breath of fresh air?
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2012, 08:55:PM »




The opposite is true too, though.

People just trust the authorities and find it so hard to believe they would lie, but they, understandably, can't fathom how al-Magrahi was released back to Libya.

My mother is one of those people - her family's house is one that was hit by part of the plane in Lockerbie.
Well, yes it was a dreadful thing, I remember it well. It must have been terrifying to be caught up in it, it just depends whether you're looking for a scapegoat or the truth. Respect to your mum tho.

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Re: Jim Swire, a breath of fresh air?
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2012, 08:58:PM »
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People just trust the authorities and find it so hard to believe they would lie

Could this be a significant influence in a subjective view that veers towards guilt?

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My mother is one of those people - her family's house is one that was hit by part of the plane in Lockerbie.

I do hope nobody was hurt?  :(


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Re: Jim Swire, a breath of fresh air?
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2012, 09:02:PM »
I don't know if Al-Megrahi is innocent.  Perhaps he is, perhaps he's not. 

Maybe Jim is a sucker for 'conspiracy theories' as some might put it?  Maybe Al-Megrahi fooled those prisoners in Scottish jails because he is a player?  He was allegedly in intelligence operative.  maybe Al-Megrahi was a sacrificial lamb, fulfilling the age old role of the villain?  Some of the victims' families certainly cant let go of the villain, while perhaps others take a similar view to Jim? 

Is it subjective whether a convicted criminal is a patsy or just plain guilty as sin?
Unfortunately when I was in America the Americans and us were at war in Iraq and the French were the villians then. I spoke to a number of people and most of them were unaware of the rest of the world and everyone who looked like an Arab was a potential enemy.
It reminded me of that Frankie Boyle joke which was meant to be thought provoking. "Here is the news. Two American servicemen were killed today in Iraq and a whole bunch of Iraqis".
You are right Rochford. We must always make it our priority to search for the truth and settle for nothing less just because we may like or dislike the one who has been found guilty in a court of law. We must always be prepared to question the judgment if we think it may be wrong.

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Re: Jim Swire, a breath of fresh air?
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2012, 09:10:PM »
Grahame, I hope that more information comes to light in this case.  Jim Swire thinks it will but he may be a tad optimistic on that score.
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Re: Jim Swire, a breath of fresh air?
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2012, 09:28:PM »
Could this be a significant influence in a subjective view that veers towards guilt?

I believe so, yes.

I do hope nobody was hurt?  :(

Her uncle was in bed with the flu, he heard this loud noise got out of bed and reached the door when a seat of the plane crashed through the window and landed on his bed!  The garden was covered with miniature bottles.  A lot more gruesome stuff too. The noise he heard was part of the fuselage which passed through his and neighbour's house and crashed into an elderly lady's house opposite - she survived that but died next day from shock.  He died soon after too.  At the time the doctor said that he expected there would be a lot of uexplained deaths. 

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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2012, 09:33:PM »
he was realesed for the simple reason that they wanted him to drop his appeal.