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Re: Police arrival at WHF what next ?
« Reply #60 on: May 22, 2012, 09:35:AM »
Why is he an idiot?

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« Reply #61 on: May 22, 2012, 09:36:AM »
Colin remembers going on a shoot with Sheila....in his book she was a beater, so that was less than 10 years ago....Unless you are saying he is not telling the truth! :)

The trip that RB was asked about, and about which Jackie is accusing him of lying was in 1976 or 1977. Why would a beater handle a gun?
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« Reply #62 on: May 22, 2012, 09:36:AM »

excuse me Grahame but i wasnt aiming my post at you.

Im from planet earth, where are you from  ;)
Mars. ;D Sorry  ;)

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Re: Police arrival at WHF what next ?
« Reply #63 on: May 22, 2012, 09:37:AM »
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Re: Police arrival at WHF what next ?
« Reply #64 on: May 22, 2012, 09:38:AM »
Sagar,those are my thoughts on the man.

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« Reply #65 on: May 22, 2012, 09:39:AM »
Sagar,those are my thoughts on the man.

Yes i see that, but why do you think the man is an idiot? Seems unfair.

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« Reply #66 on: May 22, 2012, 09:40:AM »
But Bridget, if you read what was actually said in court it soon becomes clear that the defence barrister had to wheedle it out of him. There was a lot of umming and arring in his words. It was clear to me at least that he appeared to reveal the information reluctantly?

I have read it, and it's clear he does'nt remember - it was 9 or so years prior, and they were in the habit of making such trips in the company of various people.
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Re: Police arrival at WHF what next ?
« Reply #67 on: May 22, 2012, 09:43:AM »
Sagar,those are my thoughts on the man.

How terrible that a man who's uncle, auntie, cousin (whom he dearly fond of) her children and his son, all die in awful circumstances, should come across poorly on camera....How easily you judge.
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Re: Police arrival at WHF what next ?
« Reply #68 on: May 22, 2012, 09:44:AM »
The trip that RB was asked about, and about which Jackie is accusing him of lying was in 1976 or 1977. Why would a beater handle a gun?

A beater wouldn't handle a gun Bridget....Come on she grew up on the farm, there were guns around, she must have witnessed them in use at some point in her life....If she was beater, then she was party to that shoot....she would have been around guns. 

We get the impression that Sheila did not like guns, if this was the case she certainly would not have been a beater....and got the game to fly up into the air to be shot. I can't understand why Sheila gets molly cuddled all the time as though she is perfect....She was there with Colin at a shoot....She had also been present at other shoots....why try to hide the fact?

That rifle that was used on that night was easy to use...it had a small recoil, it was semi automatic. a child could use that gun....all you had to do was pop bullets into a magazine and slot it into place...flick the recoil and shot....it takes seconds to do....You don't need a A level to use one, it's not rocket science....rant over lol :)
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Re: Police arrival at WHF what next ?
« Reply #69 on: May 22, 2012, 09:45:AM »
Sagar,as I'd said,,,,they're my thoughts on the man.The same thoughts that I have saying that JB is innocent. Also thoughts that it was Sheila who killed her family then turned the gun on herself.
Nothing wrong in having thoughts is there.?

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Re: Police arrival at WHF what next ?
« Reply #70 on: May 22, 2012, 09:47:AM »
Of course not no, im just wondering what it is that makes you call him an idiot, any particular reason? Or do you think hes an idiot anyway?

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« Reply #71 on: May 22, 2012, 09:48:AM »
Nothing wrong in your opinion but describing someone, a friend, as an idiot is what I'm objecting to.
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Re: Police arrival at WHF what next ?
« Reply #72 on: May 22, 2012, 09:49:AM »
Lookout, do you know him personally?

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« Reply #73 on: May 22, 2012, 09:49:AM »
So, if after returning from a highly stressful situation you notice that something in a log has been written in an ambiguous manner, you should not clarify it?
Well I will tell you what actually happens after an operation of this kind. The soc officers meet for a debriefing and each one reads over his/her notes and if there are any discrepancies it is there that they are ironed out. This explains why all the police statements read as one.
But in actual fact no one sees things exactly the same. Take the Bible as an example. If there had been collusion with the gospel writers then all the gospels would be exactly the same. But there are marked differences that even those who write harmonies of the gospel cannot explain. It that which makes the gospel believable to those who follow Christ. If they all said the same then it would be suspicious. (just an example not to be pressed to the limits)
What I am saying is that these police statements read too perfectly to be true. But it is common practice for police to do that and possibly, no actually alter notes so they are seen to say the same thing. They do this for preparation to go to court.
This too is common practice with solicitors. They do exactly the same. They make sure that all their witnesses say the same thing and it is a logical thing to do.
But the actual notebooks are the first point of reference. The first point of contact if you like and the very fact that sometimes they do not agree it testament to their veracity.
This could explain why certain pages have mysteriously gone missing out of certain police officers notebooks?

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Re: Police arrival at WHF what next ?
« Reply #74 on: May 22, 2012, 09:52:AM »
A beater wouldn't handle a gun Bridget....Come on she grew up on the farm, there were guns around, she must have witnessed them in use at some point in her life....If she was beater, then she was party to that shoot....she would have been around guns. 

We get the impression that Sheila did not like guns, if this was the case she certainly would not have been a beater....and got the game to fly up into the air to be shot. I can't understand why Sheila gets molly cuddled all the time as though she is perfect....She was there with Colin at a shoot....She had also been present at other shoots....why try to hide the fact?

That rifle that was used on that night was easy to use...it had a small recoil, it was semi automatic. a child could use that gun....all you had to do was pop bullets into a magazine and slot it into place...flick the recoil and shot....it takes seconds to do....You don't need a A level to use one, it's not rocket science....rant over lol :)

They weren't trying to hide anything. They weren't asked if she'd ever seen a gun, they were asked whether they could recall ever having seen her handling a gun.
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