Police arrival at WHF what next ?

[mertol22]

Did it not occur to the police that 2 minors , children were inside the house and why was the decision taken to storm the property at daylight ? a poor judgement
and one taken at high cost.What more priority could there be ?

[Patti]

I totally agree with you Mertol on that.  It took 4 hours to get in. I can understand that in these situations, it must be difficult, but time is essential, also a big risk to enter the premises unharmed.  There was such a long drawn out delay. The safety of those children should have been paramount. We aren't talking about 1895 we are talking modern day England, with night sights etc!....It was such a cock up, excuse my French, from the moment the police took over at approximately 3:26....

Bad logs, bad documents, clothing evidence destroyed in 1996....which were held from the defence for 10 years....It's a sheer mockery!

Hello btw...

[mertol22]

I totally agree with you Mertol on that.  It took 4 hours to get in. I can understand that in these situations, it must be difficult, but time is essential, also a big risk to enter the premises unharmed.  There was such a long drawn out delay. The safety of those children should have been paramount. We aren't talking about 1895 we are talking modern day England, with night sights etc!....It was such a cock up, excuse my French, from the moment the police took over at approximately 3:26....

Bad logs, bad documents, clothing evidence destroyed in 1996....which were held from the defence for 10 years....It's a sheer mockery!

Hello btw...

Eve Patti, If its true and police were in contact with a female occupant several answers are available, the 1st one it removes Jeremy Bamber from the spotlight at  an instant, sadly i do believe if the police were in contact with Sheila the rest of the family were by now no longer alive, they could have kept her talking and arranged a plan to storm , at the very least Sheilas life could have been saved, once more clearing jeremy, you see in time it will not matter whatever is contained under PII, who will be there around to answer too?

[Patti]

Eve Patti, If its true and police were in contact with a female occupant several answers are available, the 1st one it removes Jeremy Bamber from the spotlight at  an instant, sadly i do believe if the police were in contact with Sheila the rest of the family were by now no longer alive, they could have kept her talking and arranged a plan to storm , at the very least Sheilas life could have been saved, once more clearing jeremy, you see in time it will not matter whatever is contained under PII, who will be there around to answer too?

Hi Mertol...It's the wording...."In contact"..."trying to make contact" the log clearly states "in contact" Folk can deduce what they want, but to me it is evidence enough!

"one male one female" it's documented....no matter which way you look at it.....it reads what it reads...lol

[mertol22]

Back then the police were using radios which to me now could be considered primative, however hand written logs are something else, an ex traffic cop told me that logs provide the 1st version of events as seen by the officer writing them he then said to me in a question what is the horizontal black line for on a road crossing lollypop stick ? it appears its to write down the vehicle plate in case they dont stop. Sort of the same thing, you are or are not in conversation.

[Bridget]

Did you forget the bit where they recorded that there was no response?

[guest154]

Yeah the no response should be enough to put the claims that they were in contact to bed.


As for why they didn't go in - don't forget at this point the police were still under the impression, given to them from Jeremy, that Sheila was on the loose with the gun.
In this kind of situation the unarmed police aren't going to rush in - even if kids are inside.

[Patti]

Did you forget the bit where they recorded that there was no response?

No Bridget not forgot, that came after they had written " In contact" not "trying to make contact"...big difference...x number of minutes later...."no response"

I'm off to bed...good night all, don't have nightmares....

[bloggs and son]

Did you forget the bit where they recorded that there was no response?

I think it was the words "in conversation with" that throws people. Because that is a strange way of putting it. For it presupposes that contact had been made?

[Bridget]

I think it was the words "in conversation with" that throws people. Because that is a strange way of putting it. For it presupposes that contact had been made?

And yet it is quite clearly stated that there was no response. It's only confusing if you want there to have been a conversation.

[bloggs and son]

And yet it is quite clearly stated that there was no response. It's only confusing if you want there to have been a conversation.

Again it quite clearly says "in conversation with". If there was a conversation with one person doing all the talking it would be like a one handed clap.

[guest154]

Like most things in this case it falls down what you believe holds more weight to it and what you want to believe.

In conversation with.
Or
No response.


I choose NO RESPONE because in conversation with can be interpreted as they were speaking to someone, or they were calling out to someone - may not have been a reply. NO RESPONSE seems pretty self explanitory - to me any way.

[mike tesko]

I would take an opposite view concerning use of the term 'no response', since it could simply mean there was no response to specific commands or instruction being directed at or toward the occupants of the farmhouse. When used along with the term 'in conversation' with a person from inside the farm, it becomes clear that police were engaged in some sort of dialog with someone, but that they were not getting any response to which they were requesting. This would be consistent with the police making specific demands of Sheila, and not gettqing the required response from her...

[vidvic]

Wasn't she barking like a dog?

[sagar]

Wasn't she barking like a dog?

Barking like a dog? Im confused, sheila was barking like a dog? Who the hell said such a stupid thing?