Occupants of CA07, relayed information to control room, from raid team...

[NewChilledOutHartley]

Mmmmmm I think you might be right Bridget....the back stairs appears to lead into a office upstairs. 

I haven't checked his statement, but it sounds like the stairs from the kitchen, which to a small room at the end of the landing, opposite the bathroom and adjacent to the upstairs loo.

[mike tesko]

I haven't checked his statement, but it sounds like the stairs from the kitchen, which to a small room at the end of the landing, opposite the bathroom and adjacent to the upstairs loo.

Yep...

He went up the back stairs into the office there...

[NewChilledOutHartley]

Yep...

He went up the back stairs into the office there...

No!

The stairs leading to the upstairs office start in the lobby directly in front of the yard door which the police entered through, the slope of the stairs forms the back of the gun cupboard in the ground floor office/den.

[Patti]

No!

The stairs leading to the upstairs office start in the lobby directly in front of the yard door which the police entered through, the slope of the stairs forms the back of the gun cupboard in the ground floor office/den.

Hartley. Is there a door to left and one to the right and the stairs are straight ahead?

[NewChilledOutHartley]

Hartley. Is there a door to left and one to the right and the stairs are straight ahead?

Yes pretty much.

[Patti]

I have been trying to locate where all the guns in the house were. It appears there were 5 guns, 6 if you include Jeremy's gun.

12 bore gun cupboard 1sr floor.
. 22 air rifle under clothes 2nd step on the stairs leading from the kitchen
Single bolt 410 on 2nd step stood up at the side of the .22 air rifle.
Double barrel 12 bore ground floor shower room
Double barrel 12 bore again, found in shower room.

5 guns ground floor.....

Two of the raid team say a possible sighting of guns upstairs....Jeapes in the Box Room Delgardo in the upstairs office.

So, is it a case of not believing everything you read in professional statements made by police or are they telling the truth...that they did see two guns upstairs. If so where are they? 

[NewChilledOutHartley]

I have been trying to locate where all the guns in the house were. It appears there were 5 guns, 6 if you include Jeremy's gun.

12 bore gun cupboard 1sr floor.
. 22 air rifle under clothes 2nd step on the stairs leading from the kitchen
Single bolt 410 on 2nd step stood up at the side of the .22 air rifle.
Double barrel 12 bore ground floor shower room
Double barrel 12 bore again, found in shower room.

5 guns ground floor.....

Two of the raid team say a possible sighting of guns upstairs....Jeapes in the Box Room Delgardo in the upstairs office.

So, is it a case of not believing everything you read in professional statements made by police or are they telling the truth...that they did see two guns upstairs. If so where are they? 

By Jeremy's rifle, do you mean the Anshutz rifle found on Sheilas body?


RE: Jeapes sighting of what appeared to be a gun - we've got as far as I think we are going to.
RE: Delgados first floor office sighting, are you referring the the components of a shotgun?

[Patti]

By Jeremy's rifle, do you mean the Anshutz rifle found on Sheilas body?


RE: Jeapes sighting of what appeared to be a gun - we've got as far as I think we are going to.
RE: Delgados first floor office sighting, are you referring the the components of a shotgun?

Never the less Hartley they claim to have seen a gun upstairs. The list of guns found by the family, of which, none were found upstairs.

Two of the guns that they found were broken down and could not have been loaded.....

No i don't mean the gun on Shelia....I mean two guns that were standing up one at a window, which may be the box and the other in the green office upstairs. 

I have no questions about them, I am merely saying that two guns may have been sighted and two guns not been accounted for...possibly one...

I am particular interested in the one Jeapes sees, for she claims it was a rifle....I will ask her...

[NewChilledOutHartley]

Never the less Hartley they claim to have seen a gun upstairs. The list of guns found by the family, of which, none were found upstairs.

Two of the guns that they found were broken down and could not have been loaded.....

No i don't mean the gun on Shelia....I mean two guns that were standing up one at a window, which may be the box and the other in the green office upstairs. 

I have no questions about them, I am merely saying that two guns may have been sighted and two guns not been accounted for...possibly one...

I am particular interested in the one Jeapes sees, for she claims it was a rifle....I will ask her...

I'm just asking a question Patti, that's all, chill.

Any chance you could point me in the direction where you've seen a gun in the first floor office mentioned, I may vaguely recall reading it but forget where now.

[Bridget]

Page 4 of Rozga's statement.

[NewChilledOutHartley]

Page 4 of Rozga's statement.

Thanks Bridget. 

[NewChilledOutHartley]

I have been trying to locate where all the guns in the house were. It appears there were 5 guns, 6 if you include Jeremy's gun.

Would you mind if I asked which gun you are referring to, when you say 'Jeremys gun'?

[Patti]

Would you mind if I asked which gun you are referring to, when you say 'Jeremys gun'?

Sorry. When I refer to JB'S gun i mean the German .22 semi automatic which is the one he mainly used at the farm, but was registered in Nevill's name.  I believe this was the gun that was found on Sheila and taken by the police. Leaving the 5 guns that I have listed which were found by the family.

No guns were found upstairs...but two were supposedly sighted by the police on the 7th.

I know, no one knows what happened to these guns, that is if they were there....but I am interested as to why this was not looked at, at the time.....I am well chilled Hartley, and got one in fridge...

[NewChilledOutHartley]

Sorry. When I refer to JB'S gun i mean the German .22 semi automatic which is the one he mainly used at the farm, but was registered in Nevill's name.  I believe this was the gun that was found on Sheila and taken by the police.

So three posts ago when I said 'by Jeremy's gun, do you mean the Anshutz' and you said 'NO', you actually meant YES. 

Just to reiterate Patti, I'm not arguing or questioning what you posted, I was just asking for clarification. But you have given it now, thank you.

Any chance I can have that one in the fridge? 

[NewChilledOutHartley]

No guns were found upstairs...but two were supposedly sighted by the police on the 7th.

Actually, just one more question (sounds like Columbo ), where have you got the 'No guns were found upstairs' from?