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Offline Bridget

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I think it was because Mike mentioned that there were no marks on Sheila's thighs where the gun was resting?

Yes, but why would there be marks?
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Yes, but why would there be marks?
I don't know I didn't really thought it was relevent. So I just scanned over it.

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Yes, but why would there be marks?
If I understand it correctly, MT believes if JB had of layed the rifle on the dead body of SC then the contact marks, rifle to body, would of left marks / bruises etc. I think someone with pathology experience would be usefull to have on call.( the rifle having lain on a dead body for 5 ish hours)
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Please don't argue guys....As from Monday of next week, you will see less of me, I am returning back to work after a long period of sickness....And, it is mainly due to this forum that I am now much more composed about things...

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Offline mike tesko

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Please visit following link address for relevant information as to why there would be, should be visible marks on Sheila's legs and thighs if the rifle was laid upon the body as a result of Jeremy, or anybody else for that matter, killing Sheila on the bedroom floor before 4am, and the rifle be resting atop the body as shown in the crime scene photographs, in keeping with the testimony and contents of raid team members witness statements which deal with the position of the rifle on the body when police entered the premises and they say they found Sheila's body ion the bedroom floor? If rifle had been on the body for over six hours marks would be present upon her legs/thighs and the rest of her body where the rifle had been resting / laying - but there are none:-

(1) - http://www.forensicpathologyonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54&Itemid=116l
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Offline mike tesko

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Relevant facts being:-
« Last Edit: May 21, 2012, 11:29:PM by mike tesko »
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If the rifle had been laying upon or atop Sheila's body for a considerable length of time as shown in the crime scene photographs which coincides with the description of how members of the raid team portrayed the finding of Sheila's body on the bedroom floor with the rifle atop it, there would undoubtedly have been marks left on relevant areas of the body considering that the said rifle would have had to have been resting upon Sheila's body for a minimum of six hours before PC Bird took the relevant photographs, and some four hours before the raid team supposedly stumbled upon Sheila's body with the rifle atop it when they found it in the bedroom on the bedroom floor - such marks are not visible in any of the photographs, nor in any of the post mortem photographs taken of Sheila's body. This is direct evidence that police stage managed Sheila's body by planting the rifle upon her body in different positions whilst it was on the bedroom floor...
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Offline mike tesko

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Police placed the rifle on the body in different positions, and then removed the rifle so that it was not resting on the body for any great length of time, or period, hence why there are no visible corresponding marks upon her legs, thighs or any other part of her body. The weight of the rifle on the body would have exerted sufficient pressure to create marks which fall into the HYPOSTASIS category..

Lets say that but for the police being responsible for moving the guns barrel so that it was / is resting directly against Sheila's neck / throat (in the following image taken by PC Bird during the stage managing process) the pressure of the guns barrel against or upon Sheila's neck, would leave a distinctive mark there, where none exists because police rested the guns barrel there against the left side of the neck on a temporary basis whilst taking photographs for the investigation...

Well...

the weight of the rifle resting anywhere on the body for any lengthy of time, say for between 4 to 7 hours, without being disturbed would almost certainly have left such marks on the relevant parts of the body, and the point I am making is that no such marks exist or are visible on those areas of the body, because police stage managed Sheila's body, it was not stage managed by Jeremy or any other as yet unidentified killer, and the rifle did not fall into that position upon the body if Sheila took her own life. What we are dealing with here, is wholesale stage managing of a body at the crime scene, where the police put the rifle on the victims body and then took a series of crime scene photographs which were later shown to members of the raid team at a de-brief held at Witham police station that same night, and members of the raid team were told to write up their reports as though they found the body in the position shown in PC Bird's stage managed pictures...

Now, the matter does not end there, because it was these very same stage managed photographs which were taken by PC Bird, which were used during the trial as part of the prosecutions case, to persuade the jury that Jeremy had stage managed Sheila's body on the bedroom floor after he killed her and the others, with a view to fooling the police into thinking that Sheila had taken her on life, when all along the photographs actually depict what the police had been responsible for doing (stage managing the scene to make it look like she had shot herself twice with use of a semi-automatic rifle)?
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Police stage managed Sheila's body on the bedroom floor...
With what motive?

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Please visit following link address for relevant information as to why there would be, should be visible marks on Sheila's legs and thighs if the rifle was laid upon the body as a result of Jeremy, or anybody else for that matter, killing Sheila on the bedroom floor before 4am, and the rifle be resting atop the body as shown in the crime scene photographs, in keeping with the testimony and contents of raid team members witness statements which deal with the position of the rifle on the body when police entered the premises and they say they found Sheila's body ion the bedroom floor? If rifle had been on the body for over six hours marks would be present upon her legs/thighs and the rest of her body where the rifle had been resting / laying - but there are none:-

(1) - http://www.forensicpathologyonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54&Itemid=116l

Mike that is very interesting indeed.  But I would hardly think a rifle weighing approx 8lbs would cause any bruising at all, because the weight is equalled out.  However, this is very good what you have posted, and I need to digest it. There is one paragraph I am extremely interested in.....which is the one below the one you have posted...:)

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Relevant facts being:-
Problem.
The information is for a body lying on their back and subsequent marks on back of neck,scalp wrist etc.Surley the blood will fill capillaries via gravity and leave capillaries on top,empty of blood?
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I have been present on 2 post mortems the 2nd i washed the slab and washed the inspection tables, i think there was a female on the 2nd one, this was a long time ago, i do know womens skin is very delicate and even more so after death, so i dont really know, some of the police officers may have not relised this.

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I don't need convincing the rifle has been moved between photos, I'm pretty happy about that. The only reason I'm happy about that is the excellent superimposed picture that mike posted showing beyond doubt that the rifle has been moved.
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Offline mike tesko

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Weight of rifle on various parts of Sheila's body would have left marks there on those relevant parts of her body where the rifle had been resting over a period of several hours, if it had been resting there for any length of time, but no such marks exist or are present because police planted the rifle on the body for the purpose of PC Bird taking pictures after police stage managed Sheila's body on the bedroom floor with the rifle upon the body, to make out a false case that she could somehow have shot herself twice with the semi-automatic rifle;-
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Not only that, but rigor mortis had clearly not yet set in, because the police were able to move and shift the angle of Sheila's right arm and reshape the position of her fingers upon the repositioned rifle during the stage managing stage, which would not have been possible if Sheila had already been dead for over six hours (in my opinion) as depicted by reference to the following images:-
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