Occupants of CA07, relayed information to control room, from raid team...

[mike tesko]

You will blame Jeremy for anything and everything, but we all know the truth about what really took place, we all know the dodgy silencer evidence was introduced by the relatives with one thing in mind...

[NewChilledOutHartley]

To all intents and purposes Hartley it is not clear and mike's interpretation is as likely as your own. It just depends where you're coming from. If the jury had not been lead down the 'was it Sheila or Jeremy ' route there is little or no concrete proof. At the moment it is mainly supposition.Imho

Unfortunately not Maggie, Mike wants to persuade people that something other than the 'official' chain of events occured, he has failed, because as you rightly state, it's all suposition based on not a lot.

If that's not the case and he has some sort of concrete proof, such as a phone bill or a photograph of Sheila on the bed, then, and I'm sure I speak for the whole forum here (both sides), let's see it please. I'm sure Jeremy wouldn't mind a copy also.

Until that happens (which I don't believe ever could) we'll just have the same old arguments. The above argument for example, has played itself out, between Mike and I, about five or six times over the last year or so, each time identical to the last.

[mike tesko]

Unfortunately not Maggie, Mike wants to persuade people that something other than the 'official' chain of events occured, he has failed, because as you rightly state, it's all suposition based on not a lot.

If that's not the case and he has some sort of concrete proof, such as a phone bill or a photograph of Sheila on the bed, then, and I'm sure I speak for the whole forum here (both sides), let's see it please. I'm sure Jeremy wouldn't mind a copy also.

Until that happens (which I don't believe ever could) we'll just have the same old arguments. The above argument for example, has played itself out, between Mike and I, about five or six times over the last year or so, each time identical to the last.

If Jeremy killed Sheila and stage managed her body on the bedroom floor with the rifle atop it, there would be corresponding marks on Sheila's legs and thighs where the rifle had been resting for all those hours after her death, but there are no such marks present there in any of the autopsy photographs - this is direct evidence that police stage managed Sheila's body on the bedroom floor and blamed Jeremy for doing so...

[mike tesko]

I urge those representing Jeremy's interests to pursue this matter / feature, since I believe it will be proof enough that Jeremy did not and could not have killed his sister as claimed by the prosecutions case. An absence of any corresponding marks on the relevant parts of Sheila's thighs and legs from the rifle resting upon those parts of her body, should be sufficient to disprove the case against Jeremy...

[maggie]

Unfortunately not Maggie, Mike wants to persuade people that something other than the 'official' chain of events occured, he has failed, because as you rightly state, it's all suposition based on not a lot.

If that's not the case and he has some sort of concrete proof, such as a phone bill or a photograph of Sheila on the bed, then, and I'm sure I speak for the whole forum here (both sides), let's see it please. I'm sure Jeremy wouldn't mind a copy also.

Until that happens (which I don't believe ever could) we'll just have the same old arguments. The above argument for example, has played itself out, between Mike and I, about five or six times over the last year or so, each time identical to the last.
Hartley
Surely this is the final tradegy and its caused by witholding so much information. It cannot be laid to rest til all the evidence is releadrd into the public domain.

[mike tesko]

"Oh, it's all gone quiet over there, it's all gone quiet over there, it's all gone quiet, it's all gone quiet, it's all gone quiet over there"...

[mike tesko]

"Oh, it's all gone quiet over there, it's all gone quiet over there, it's all gone quiet, it's all gone quiet, it's all gone quiet over there"...

There are no corresponding marks from the rifle resting upon Sheila's legs and thighs to support the claim that the riffle had been resting there upon her body for several hours prior to the photographs which PC Bird took at 10am...

You fuckers are gonna pay dearly for trying to pull a fast one on poor old Jeremy, and for trying to make all those who have represented him in the past look like fools, this is just the beginning of the end, there is gonna be hell to pay for the lot of you for perverting the course of justice...

CCRC hang your heads in shame, you should be disbanded because all you do is delay cases being taken back to the court of appeal. You have brought the criminal justice system into disrepute...

[NewChilledOutHartley]

"Oh, it's all gone quiet over there, it's all gone quiet over there, it's all gone quiet, it's all gone quiet, it's all gone quiet over there"...

Didn't Bjork sing that? 

In all seriousness, you are wasting your time with me, if you want some sort of a reaction then you've got the wrong guy, if you are able to hoodwink a few people, then congratulations, but I'm not quite sure how you think that helps, if anything I'd say that it alienates as many people as it misleads.

But whatever floats ya boat. 

[mike tesko]

Even at the scene when police were moving the rifle around on Sheila's body and they shifted the hem of her nightdress and brought the curved edge of the rifles wooden stock in line with the raised hem line, you cannot see any marks at all where the rifle had previously been resting on parts of her legs...

If the rifle had been resting there for over seven hours it would definitely have left some marks there, but as everyone can see there are no corresponding marks made by the rifle, so how could Jeremy have stage managed Sheila's body on the bedroom floor from as long ago as 3am?

[maggie]

There are no corresponding marks from the rifle resting upon Sheila's legs and thighs to support the claim that the riffle had been resting there upon her body for several hours prior to the photographs which PC Bird took at 10am...

You fuckers are gonna pay dearly for trying to pull a fast one on poor old Jeremy, and for trying to make all those who have represented him in the past look like fools, this is just the beginning of the end, there is gonna be hell to pay for the lot of you for perverting the course of justice...

CCRC hang your heads in shame, you should be disbanded because all you do is delay cases being taken back to the court of appeal. You have brought the criminal justice system into disrepute...

Mike I have huge respect for you, the way you have ignored the slings and arrows. Jeremy was really lucky the day he met such a loyal friend. You fight on undeterred. Just wanted to say that.

[mertol22]

Has the bed been re - made ?

[maggie]

Has the bed been re - made ?

Whose bed Mertol?

[bloggs and son]

I urge those representing Jeremy's interests to pursue this matter / feature, since I believe it will be proof enough that Jeremy did not and could not have killed his sister as claimed by the prosecutions case. An absence of any corresponding marks on the relevant parts of Sheila's thighs and legs from the rifle resting upon those parts of her body, should be sufficient to disprove the case against Jeremy...

Bob Millers notebook states that the rifle was on her right side and not on her body.

[maggie]

Bob Millers notebook states that the rifle was on her right side and not on her body.

Yes saw that Grahame.

[mike tesko]

Mike I have huge respect for you, the way you have ignored the slings and arrows. Jeremy was really lucky the day he met such a loyal friend. You fight on undeterred. Just wanted to say that.

When I saw the photograph of Sheila on the bed with the hem of her nightdress riding high up her thighs and her crotch exposed, I was shocked, totally shocked, not only because police had said they found her on the bedroom floor with the gun atop her body, nor because there was hardly any blood staining on her face and the top right hand side of her nightdress, but chiefly because there were no corresponding marks on her legs and thighs where the rifle would have had to be resting had Jeremy killed his sister hours before the police forced their way into the farmhouse to discover her body...

By the time I removed the photograph from the album in Ewens office (2004) I knew immediately that police had framed Jeremy for these murders by falsely claiming they had found Sheila's body on the bedroom floor with the rifle atop it, undisturbed by any police hand. I knew this to be a blatant lie, and by this stage I was aware that police had suggested in one form or other that her body had been found in at least three different locations and positions around the house, but that they had settled for her body having been found on the bedroom floor (the biggest lie of all). I knew there would come a day when someone would have to listen to what I had to say because of the absence of these marks on her legs and thighs where the rifle would have had to be laid for several hours, for there to be any chance of Jeremy having been guilty of these murders...

Police planted the rifle on Sheila's body, and blamed Jeremy for having done just that...

It's now time. for Jeremy's legal team to get on with the task of proving what I have been saying to be true for so long. At last there is a chink of light at the end of a very long tunnel, which is capable of proving that police placed the rifle atop Sheila's body and blamed Jeremy for doing what they themselves are responsible for having done, and that this was used to help convict him for these murders...