Grounds for not referring Jeremy Bamber’s case back to the appeal court.

[lebaleb]

Yes, but the pictures merely show WHAT happened... not when and how. They are not time stamped and there is no order to them so Justice system is bound to take a Police Officers time and date stamped statement as evidence.

Photographs may not be numbered by order but the negatives are. They would show the sequence. Within the known parameters of the stated time the photo's were taken a fairly accurate time could be deduced. Are the negatives available?

[31Gr19l64Kw]

Open question : Perverting the course of justice : please comment on english law as to that...

[steve.m]

This is my first post so please bear with me. I have followed this case from day 1 and do correspond with Jeremy.

What I do not understand. The Log from the Police Station shows that Nevill rang and reported that his daughter (not son) had gone beserk with a gun.

Surely that alone is evidence for a retrial??

[Hartley]

This is my first post so please bear with me. I have followed this case from day 1 and do correspond with Jeremy.

What I do not understand. The Log from the Police Station shows that Nevill rang and reported that his daughter (not son) had gone beserk with a gun.

Surely that alone is evidence for a retrial??

No he didn't there is no evidence of this. The log shows a call from Jeremy to the police and then an internal call between police officers and nothing else.

[Pete0001]

This is my first post so please bear with me. I have followed this case from day 1 and do correspond with Jeremy.

What I do not understand. The Log from the Police Station shows that Nevill rang and reported that his daughter (not son) had gone beserk with a gun.

Surely that alone is evidence for a retrial??

No.. there are two identical notes which some believe was Jeremy and Neville.. and some believe is just Jeremy and the officer took down the wrong time (3.36am) and when the message was passed on the time of 3.26 was noted as this was the correct time.

I must say I'm in the camp that Neville never rang the Police.

We are asked to believe that both Jeremy and Neville decided to ring the local police station (which meant looking the number up in the phone book) instead of 999. The two notes are the same just written with a different perspective...

"My dad has phoned me to say my sister has gone mad with a gun"

Officer relays message - "Mr Bambers daughter has gone mad with a gun - Source - Jeremy."

It is far more believable that it was a human error in message taking than the alternative... REAL evidence is needed.

[mike tesko]

This is my first post so please bear with me. I have followed this case from day 1 and do correspond with Jeremy.

What I do not understand. The Log from the Police Station shows that Nevill rang and reported that his daughter (not son) had gone beserk with a gun.

Surely that alone is evidence for a retrial??

No he didn't there is no evidence of this. The log shows a call from Jeremy to the police and then an internal call between police officers and nothing else.

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I disagree...

There are clearly two different messages being recorded, or referred to here, one in which a reference is made to "daughter" and the other "sister", further discrepancies between "has got one of my guns" and "the gun," and additional differences, involving reference to the age of the daughter, or  sister...

If this was just a matter of the time being recorded wrongly, as alleged, the contents would be exactly the same, only the  times would be recorded differently...

In my opinion...

[mike tesko]

This is my first post so please bear with me. I have followed this case from day 1 and do correspond with Jeremy.

What I do not understand. The Log from the Police Station shows that Nevill rang and reported that his daughter (not son) had gone beserk with a gun.

Surely that alone is evidence for a retrial??

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Good points...

[Hartley]

This is my first post so please bear with me. I have followed this case from day 1 and do correspond with Jeremy.

What I do not understand. The Log from the Police Station shows that Nevill rang and reported that his daughter (not son) had gone beserk with a gun.

Surely that alone is evidence for a retrial??

No he didn't there is no evidence of this. The log shows a call from Jeremy to the police and then an internal call between police officers and nothing else.

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I disagree...

There are clearly two different messages being recorded, or referred to here, one in which a reference is made to "daughter" and the other "sister", further discrepancies between "has got one of my guns" and "the gun," and additional differences, involving reference to the age of the daughter, or  sister...

If this was just a matter of the time being recorded wrongly, as alleged, the contents would be exactly the same, only the  times would be recorded differently...

In my opinion...

I agree to disagree. 

There was no call from Nevill to the police. In my opinion.

[mike tesko]

This is my first post so please bear with me. I have followed this case from day 1 and do correspond with Jeremy.

What I do not understand. The Log from the Police Station shows that Nevill rang and reported that his daughter (not son) had gone beserk with a gun.

Surely that alone is evidence for a retrial??

No he didn't there is no evidence of this. The log shows a call from Jeremy to the police and then an internal call between police officers and nothing else.

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I disagree...

There are clearly two different messages being recorded, or referred to here, one in which a reference is made to "daughter" and the other "sister", further discrepancies between "has got one of my guns" and "the gun," and additional differences, involving reference to the age of the daughter, or  sister...

If this was just a matter of the time being recorded wrongly, as alleged, the contents would be exactly the same, only the  times would be recorded differently...

In my opinion...

I agree to disagree. 

There was no call from Nevill to the police. In my opinion.

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Jeremy did not make the call at 3:26am, in my opinion, otherwise the only difference in the content of the message, would have been the time, 3:26am, instead of 3:36am...

[Hartley]

This is my first post so please bear with me. I have followed this case from day 1 and do correspond with Jeremy.

What I do not understand. The Log from the Police Station shows that Nevill rang and reported that his daughter (not son) had gone beserk with a gun.

Surely that alone is evidence for a retrial??

No he didn't there is no evidence of this. The log shows a call from Jeremy to the police and then an internal call between police officers and nothing else.

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I disagree...

There are clearly two different messages being recorded, or referred to here, one in which a reference is made to "daughter" and the other "sister", further discrepancies between "has got one of my guns" and "the gun," and additional differences, involving reference to the age of the daughter, or  sister...

If this was just a matter of the time being recorded wrongly, as alleged, the contents would be exactly the same, only the  times would be recorded differently...

In my opinion...

I agree to disagree. 

There was no call from Nevill to the police. In my opinion.

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Jeremy did not make the call at 3:26am, in my opinion, otherwise the only difference in the content of the message, would have been the time, 3:26am, instead of 3:36am...

Yet Jeremy's call was noted on the 3:26 call.

[mike tesko]

There has been no explanation forthcoming from PC West to account for the differences in the body of the messages, given at 3:36am, and 3:26am, respectively, to satisfy anyones curiosity that both calls could have been made by one, and the same person. If the same person made both calls, or if both records related to the same call, and there was only a dispute about the timing of th call, the content of the message would have been exactly the same except for the time...

Definitely two different calls, made by two different people - Ralph and Jeremy...

How can the contents of the message, and the times the call was allegedly made, both be different, if the same person made the two calls, or the call was a reference to the only call made?

[Hartley]

There has been no explanation forthcoming from PC West to account for the differences in the body of the messages, given at 3:36am, and 3:26am, respectively, to satisfy anyones curiosity that both calls could have been made by one, and the same person. If the same person made both calls, or if both records related to the same call, and there was only a dispute about the timing of th call, the content of the message would have been exactly the same except for the time...

Definitely two different calls, made by two different people - Ralph and Jeremy...

How can the contents of the message, and the times the call was allegedly made, both be different, if the same person made the two calls, or the call was a reference to the only call made?

No, absolute nonsense. You won't convince me on this one so there isn't much point in trying.

There are logs for one call to the police and nothing more.

[mike tesko]

This is my first post so please bear with me. I have followed this case from day 1 and do correspond with Jeremy.

What I do not understand. The Log from the Police Station shows that Nevill rang and reported that his daughter (not son) had gone beserk with a gun.

Surely that alone is evidence for a retrial??

No he didn't there is no evidence of this. The log shows a call from Jeremy to the police and then an internal call between police officers and nothing else.

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I disagree...

There are clearly two different messages being recorded, or referred to here, one in which a reference is made to "daughter" and the other "sister", further discrepancies between "has got one of my guns" and "the gun," and additional differences, involving reference to the age of the daughter, or  sister...

If this was just a matter of the time being recorded wrongly, as alleged, the contents would be exactly the same, only the  times would be recorded differently...

In my opinion...

I agree to disagree. 

There was no call from Nevill to the police. In my opinion.

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Jeremy did not make the call at 3:26am, in my opinion, otherwise the only difference in the content of the message, would have been the time, 3:26am, instead of 3:36am...

Yet Jeremy's call was noted on the 3:26 call.

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You do not know when those comments were added...

There is no way that anybody can tell when those comments were added by PC West...

Lets get the facts right, so there can not be any dispute, any reference to the son, was made after PC west recorded comments from Ralph Bamber where he was speaking about his daughter, and the fact that she had got one of his guns...

Additionally...

There is information contained on that message log, about the times police cars and their occupants were dispatched to the scene, and the time of their arrival at the scene, but that doesn't mean that those details were recorded at the same time that Ralph Bamber called the cops at 3:26am...

Once Jeremy called the police at 3:36am, why shouldn't PC West make a note on the original log that the son had also contacted the police to report an incident at whf?

Was this why PC West made that second record timed at 3:36am?

Did PC West record what Jeremy told him at 3:36am, so that he also had a record of what Ralph had told him at 3:26am?

I think so...

[mike tesko]

There has been no explanation forthcoming from PC West to account for the differences in the body of the messages, given at 3:36am, and 3:26am, respectively, to satisfy anyones curiosity that both calls could have been made by one, and the same person. If the same person made both calls, or if both records related to the same call, and there was only a dispute about the timing of th call, the content of the message would have been exactly the same except for the time...

Definitely two different calls, made by two different people - Ralph and Jeremy...

How can the contents of the message, and the times the call was allegedly made, both be different, if the same person made the two calls, or the call was a reference to the only call made?

No, absolute nonsense. You won't convince me on this one so there isn't much point in trying.

There are logs for one call to the police and nothing more.

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But you are completely wrong, there are two records, one timed at 3:26am, and the other timed at 3:36am - the contents of both are completely different...

If it was a reference to the same call, the only difference would be the time...

Why would PC West make two completely different and contrasting reports, about the same alleged call?

[Hartley]

There has been no explanation forthcoming from PC West to account for the differences in the body of the messages, given at 3:36am, and 3:26am, respectively, to satisfy anyones curiosity that both calls could have been made by one, and the same person. If the same person made both calls, or if both records related to the same call, and there was only a dispute about the timing of th call, the content of the message would have been exactly the same except for the time...

Definitely two different calls, made by two different people - Ralph and Jeremy...

How can the contents of the message, and the times the call was allegedly made, both be different, if the same person made the two calls, or the call was a reference to the only call made?

No, absolute nonsense. You won't convince me on this one so there isn't much point in trying.

There are logs for one call to the police and nothing more.

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But you are completely wrong, there are two records, one timed at 3:26am, and the other timed at 3:36am - the contents of both are completely different...

If it was a reference to the same call, the only difference would be the time...

Why would PC West make two completely different and contrasting reports, about the same alleged call?

The sender box on the log is very clear. one sender was jeremy on the log timed at 3:36, the sender on the log timed at 3:26 is pc1990, The call from Jeremy is mentioned at 3:26.