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Re: Post Mortem
« Reply #270 on: May 17, 2012, 07:32:PM »

Why can't it have been menstrual blood?



Bridget, sorry to first ask you an embarrassing question, but have you ever soaked any items stained with menstrual blood?

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Re: Post Mortem
« Reply #271 on: May 17, 2012, 07:33:PM »
I'm giving up trying to crack you for now.  I will return to have another crack soon no doubt  :)

Lol, I'll be waiting... :)
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Re: Post Mortem
« Reply #272 on: May 17, 2012, 07:37:PM »
Chochok Eira  Clothes soaking in buckets of water would not have any different smell than ordinary blood the water would have diluted the blood it seems to me that even if some of it was menstrual blood not all of it would have been and indeed could have come from June or Ralph.  We shall never know will we.


I believe we can determine what this blood was, Susan, as AE could smell that it was blood and clothing with menstrual blood stains that's steeped in water does not smell of blood.

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« Reply #273 on: May 17, 2012, 07:44:PM »


WHF is a large, period house with many rooms and was built to stand for centuries. It has three staircases and walls around one foot thick. I believe the washing machine was in or near the back kitchen ( a sort of storeroom and utility area) and well away from the living and sleeping areas. No one would have been disturbed by the sound of that washing machine, in my opinion.

This suggests, doesn't it, that there were reasons other than the noise of the washing machine for soaking those clothes in a bucket or buckets of water rather than just popping them into the machine and washing them?

Everyone hates having buckets of clothes soaking in their kitchen or storeroom, they're a mess and accidents waiting to happen. The sole reason anyone soaks clothes is because they have to, because these clothes are so badly engorged with staining that they require pre-soaking.

As AE stated that the clothes smelled of blood and soaking is solely used to remove staining, this has to be the answer: those clothes were sufficiently stained - with blood - to require pre-soaking to loosen the stains.

The clothes were also so badly stained that AE could detect the smell of blood on them even after the blood was highly diluted by soaking.

Perhaps AE and the officer could even see that blood because the water in the bucket/s was tinged red or straw coloured by it?

Judging by the photos and the number of guns laying around this does not appear to be a family particularly concerned by mess or accidents waiting to happen.

Maybe she didn't have enough washing to make up a load? I think it was quite normal then to soak items stained with blood anyway, remember that they didn't have things like Vanish then.


Bridget, sorry to first ask you an embarrassing question, but have you ever soaked any items stained with menstrual blood?

Probably, although I'd be more likely to just throw them away. I certainly can't recall sniffing them though   ;)
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Re: Post Mortem
« Reply #274 on: May 17, 2012, 08:02:PM »
Who do you mean by "they"?
Because you said this
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Because whether he was guilty or innocent a failed test would have finished his campaign, because of the number of people out there who do have faith in LD tests.
Thus implying that there are many more believe in LD tests that those who do not? Doesn't that put you in the minority? And if in the minority then it must mean that many many more must believe that they are mostly right surely?

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« Reply #275 on: May 17, 2012, 08:05:PM »
remember that they didn't have things like Vanish then.

Hahaha you make it sound like the last century ;D ;D ;D..........Oh! :-\ It was the last century. :-[

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« Reply #276 on: May 17, 2012, 08:07:PM »
Because you said this  Thus implying that there are many more believe in LD tests that those who do not? Doesn't that put you in the minority? And if in the minority then it must mean that many many more must believe that they are mostly right surely?

Nothing I said implies that many more believe than don't, and why is that even relevant, it's not as if we get to vote on whether he gets out is it? Clearly there are plenty of people who do believe in them, otherwise Jeremy Kyle would be out of a job.
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« Reply #277 on: May 17, 2012, 08:14:PM »
Nothing I said implies that many more believe than don't, and why is that even relevant, it's not as if we get to vote on whether he gets out is it? Clearly there are plenty of people who do believe in them, otherwise Jeremy Kyle would be out of a job.
But of course you are not so gullible as the many to believe that they are reliable. ;)

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Re: Post Mortem
« Reply #278 on: May 17, 2012, 08:16:PM »
Hahaha you make it sound like the last century ;D ;D ;D..........Oh! :-\ It was the last century. :-[
Didnt we have vanish in 1985 i have a feeling we did. Its been around a long time. I think it strange that a sophisticared london girl like sheila would be putting knickers in a bucket to soak. It sounds wrong.imo

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« Reply #279 on: May 17, 2012, 08:17:PM »
But of course you are not so gullible as the many to believe that they are reliable. ;)

Clearly not, and thankfully, neither are the courts.
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Re: Post Mortem
« Reply #280 on: May 17, 2012, 08:23:PM »
Maggie,it's usually those type of girls who are the worst offenders at that which you described,as they wait for others to do their dirty work
as in hiring house-keepers and maids. They're the untidiest knowing that someone will " pick up after them ".

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Re: Post Mortem
« Reply #281 on: May 17, 2012, 08:25:PM »



As the blood that AE detected in the bucket/s, by its scent, cannot have been menstrual blood, this begs the question of what exactly was the origin of this blood that AE could smell on the clothes steeping in the bucket/s?

And why was there so much of this blood in the bucket/s that, despite the bloodstained clothing being steeped in water and the blood being diluted by this, AE could still smell it?





Perhaps she was a bloodhound in her former life (excuse the pun)!

For her to claim to 'know' the origin of this blood is extremely bizarre, however.

Just more potential evidence that was destroyed.

 

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Re: Post Mortem
« Reply #282 on: May 17, 2012, 08:32:PM »
It was venous blood,which you can smell,so it's obvious that clothing was used to mop up the thick blood,for it to leave a smell. The bedroom rug was saturated,but that was burned 3 days later.
 

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« Reply #283 on: May 17, 2012, 08:38:PM »

I believe we can determine what this blood was, Susan, as AE could smell that it was blood and clothing with menstrual blood stains that's steeped in water does not smell of blood.
Facial wounds etc bleed profusely and could be responsible for the amount of blood there appeared to be in the buckets. ,

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« Reply #284 on: May 17, 2012, 08:40:PM »
Judging by the photos and the number of guns laying around this does not appear to be a family particularly concerned by mess or accidents waiting to happen.

No one, in my experience, no matter how tidy or untidy, soaks clothes unless they absolutely have to because no one wants buckets of water slopping all over the place.

Maybe she didn't have enough washing to make up a load? I think it was quite normal then to soak items stained with blood anyway, remember that they didn't have things like Vanish then.

Once clothes are soaking, you have to wash them as soon as possible, say, the next day, don't you? Considersatins such as sufficient clothes to make up a load are entirely secondary once buckets of water are slopping about on your work surface or you're tripping over buckets on the floor. It's all so horribly evocative of those vile, ecologically ethical terry nappies too, isn't it? That's if you used these.

Probably, although I'd be more likely to just throw them away. I certainly can't recall sniffing them though   ;)




Can I take it that the above reply means yes? Because you would recall the smell if was as strong smelling as the clothes in the bucket that AE came across, wouldn't you?

So, you agree that clothing stained with menstrual blood, once steeped in water - so that the hormonal content is washed out and the hormones and blood are highly diluted - does not smell of blood.

I am not suggesting that AE sniffed the water and contents of the bucket/s. Under the circumstances, indeed in any circumstances, that's the last thing anyone would want to do.

What I am suggesting is that it would be fair to conclude, wouldn't it, that as AE would not actively sniff the bucket/s and contents, that the smell of the contents of the bucket/s was presenting itself to her?

It is therefore reasonable to conclude that the contents of the bucket/s was/were quite high.