Post Mortem

[JackiePreece]

Bridget would you also like to explain how after realizing Jeremy had shot her mother and father and her too beautiful boys Sheila calmly laid on the floor (no sign of a big fight with Jeremy or a badly bruised body) and let Jeremy put two bullets into her neckHave you got any children Bridget and do you have any idea what someone would be like if their two children have just been shot?

Bridget you missed my post

[Bridget]

Bridget you missed my post

Are you sure she knew the boys had been shot?

I believe she was standing when she received the first shot, she then collapsed to the ground and the second shot was easy.

[Patti]

Are you sure she knew the boys had been shot?

I believe she was standing when she received the first shot, she then collapsed to the ground and the second shot was easy.

If she was stood up, which I believe she was....then the shooter would have had to have been on their knees with the first shot and more or less on the floor with the 2nd shot.....And she let happen? I doubt it Bridget, no matter how much you look at it....even if she did not know her children were dead, she would hardly stand there and allow someone to take her away from them....

[JackiePreece]

Its accepted by most people that the twins died first but even if she didnt know they were dead she would have fought like crazy knowing her children could be shot next

Do you seriously think she would have laid calmly down with NO struggle and lett someone aim at her neck twice knowing her babies were most probably the next ones to be killed

It makes no sense that she would calmly lay down to be shot

Nobody who is a mother would do that

Bridget you cannot answer this and its one of the  arguements the antis cannot come up with a decent answer

[Bridget]

If she was stood up, which I believe she was....then the shooter would have had to have been on their knees with the first shot and more or less on the floor with the 2nd shot.....And she let happen? I doubt it Bridget, no matter how much you look at it....even if she did not know her children were dead, she would hardly stand there and allow someone to take her away from them....

Why would he need go be kneeling? He can just hold the gun down at an angle.

[Patti]

Why would he need go be kneeling? He can just hold the gun down at an angle.

But not with a silencer on Bridget....could he??? 

[Bridget]

But not with a silencer on Bridget....could he??? 

I don't see why not?

[lookout]

Patti,,,,no silencer. It was being " planted " somewhere until a later date.

[Patti]

I don't see why not?

49 inches with silencer fitted....Impossible Bridget. The shooter would have to have been on their knees or very low done an be able to see the positioning of the gun...not something you would be able to do, if the shooter was also stood up....

[Patti]

Patti,,,,no silencer. It was being " planted " somewhere until a later date.

I agree Lookout, the silencer is the red herring in this case...introduced later...

[bloggs and son]

I thought you said you'd read my posts re the silencer.

The LCN DNA tests which indicated that Sheila's DNA was present in the silencer were deemed not to be of use to either side, because the tests are extremely sensitive and innocent contamination could have occurred because the silencer was not protected in the way that it would be now. There's no suggestion that the blood found was not of Sheila's type.

But then again that is not what you stated which was

Because blood of Sheila's type was found in the silencer in the cupboard

In fact you were quite emphatic about it. Now how you can use both arguments to back up your case eludes me? Either it was Sheila's blood type (emphatic) or it was no use to either side? Sorry Bridget. I'm just trying to figure out where your argument holds water? That which appears to be open to question is in fact a evidence that Jeremy is guilty of murder. I'm afraid you have lost me along the way somewhere? Either it was good enough to convict JB unquestionably? Or it is undetermined and therefore of no use to anybody? Doesn't that somehow exclude the silencer evidence?

[bloggs and son]

Are you sure she knew the boys had been shot?

I believe she was standing when she received the first shot, she then collapsed to the ground and the second shot was easy.

You "believe"? Does that mean it is only your theory? Oh well no need to counter that one then. Just tack it on the end of my long list of the guilty camp wild theories.

[bloggs and son]

If she was stood up, which I believe she was....then the shooter would have had to have been on their knees with the first shot and more or less on the floor with the 2nd shot.....And she let happen? I doubt it Bridget, no matter how much you look at it....even if she did not know her children were dead, she would hardly stand there and allow someone to take her away from them....

If she knew her children were killed by someone she would have fought like a she bear. Most women would have done so. But there were no marks on her. That must  mean that she fought no one?

[Bridget]

49 inches with silencer fitted....Impossible Bridget. The shooter would have to have been on their knees or very low done an be able to see the positioning of the gun...not something you would be able to do, if the shooter was also stood up....

I still don't see it Patti, he wouldn't have to use the sights, the end of the gun sticking into Sheila's neck would have been no more than two or three foot from his face. Are we talking at cross purposes?

[Bridget]

But then again that is not what you stated which was  In fact you were quite emphatic about it. Now how you can use both arguments to back up your case eludes me? Either it was Sheila's blood type (emphatic) or it was no use to either side? Sorry Bridget. I'm just trying to figure out where your argument holds water? That which appears to be open to question is in fact a evidence that Jeremy is guilty of murder. I'm afraid you have lost me along the way somewhere? Either it was good enough to convict JB unquestionably? Or it is undetermined and therefore of no use to anybody? Doesn't that somehow exclude the silencer evidence?

You do understand the difference between DNA and blood groups don't you?

Blood of Sheila's type was found in the silencer. DNA which matched 17 out of 20 of Sheila's natural mother's markers was found in the silencer in around 2002. The DNA evidence was deemed useless because of the reasons I've already explained.