Post Mortem

[ngb1066]

Are you for real?!

The forum is hardy respectful of Sheila to claim that she murdered 4 members of her family, including shooting her 2 sons in the head as they slept?!

Then other claims that she may of had an incestuous relationship with Neville.

Do you honestly think that this is affording Sheila respect?!

I've certainly not yet heard anyone say that Sheila murdered 4 members of her family, but she was suffering from serious medical issues, so that excuses her behaviour!

Those that believe Sheila was responsible also believe she acted in a psychotic state and was therefore not responsible for her actions.  On any view she was a victim in this tragic case.  I do not believe anyone has described her as evil or culpable in the ordinary sense.

   

[petey]

petey  Maybe I shall change the wording and say I have never meant to disrespect Sheila and I certainly know nothing about the affair between her and Ralph that is new to me. Not really sure where you are going with this argument but it will not be with me my friend.

I'm not starting an argument merely querying your post that nobody on the forum disrespects Sheila.

I've never mentioned an affair between Sheila and Neville. I'm merely giving examples where forum members have shown disrespect to Sheila.

Given the basis that the vast majority of pro JB supporters probably believe that Sheila turned a gun on her own children and repeatedly shot them dead as they slept in their beds, it is then hard to say that she is treated with the utmost respect on this forum.

[guest154]

This forum can be very hit or miss when it coems to respect for  Sheila, in my opinion. Most members do post about her respectfully which must be hard if they beleive her to be guilty of a crime that has locked someone else up for 27 years - but often there are posts, quite oftne, that aren't respectful in the slightest.

As for other members of the Bamber family, this forum isn't nice or respectful towards them at all, in my opinion.

[petey]

Those that believe Sheila was responsible also believe she acted in a psychotic state and was therefore not responsible for her actions.  On any view she was a victim in this tragic case.  I do not believe anyone has described her as evil or culpable in the ordinary sense.

 

Point taken sorry.

I do still find it hard when on the one hand people want to talk respectfully of Sheila. Then on the other to say that she repeatedly shot dead her own children as they slept. I take the legal defence of diminished responsibility, but Sheila would still have been guilty of manslaughter, making it hard to treat her with the utmost respect.

[Roch]

rochford  The post I read from Pat H left me somewhat puzzled.  Nobody on this forum ever disrespects Sheila (I assume that who he is talking about) and most people have a warm sympathetic feeling for her but it is impossible to discuss this case without talking about all the Bamber family and inspite of discussing the family we all hope they are all resting in peace.

It amazes me that some people who support guilt actually believe that their particular stance on the case, directly equates to 'victims resting in peace'.  Metaphorically speaking this may well be true if the guilty culprit is paying the price for their crime.  However, it never seems to occur to them that if the person paying the price for the crime didn't commit the crime, their incarceration is hardly likely to induce victims to 'rest in peace'.  To me it's a ludicrous notion, other than say for example Keith Bennet / Winnie Johnson type situation.

[Bridget]

It amazes me that some people who support guilt actually believe that their particular stance on the case, directly equates to 'victims resting in peace'.  Metaphorically speaking this may well be true if the guilty culprit is paying the price for their crime.  However, it never seems to occur to them that if the person paying the price for the crime didn't commit the crime, their incarceration is hardly likely to induce victims to 'rest in peace'.  To me it's a ludicrous notion, other than say for example Keith Bennet / Winnie Johnson type situation.

You shouldn't generalise so much. It's too late for the victims, I'd just like to see the surviving family left in peace.

[NewChilledOutHartley]

It amazes me that some people who support guilt, somehow believe that their particular stance on the case, directly equates to 'victims resting in peace'.  Metaphorically speaking this may very well be true if the guilty culprit is paying the price for their crime.  However, it never seems to occur to them that if the person paying the price for the crime didn't commit the crime, their incarceration is hardly likely to induce victims to 'rest in peace'.  To me it's a ludicrous notion, other than say for example Keith Bennet / Winnie Johnson type situation.

I think it's an emotive subject and feelings can run high at times. I've never preached the whole 'rest in peace' thing, but then I've never actually attacked Jeremy either.

It goes both ways, there are obviously some pretty nasty things said about Jeremy, which people justify by their belief that he is guilty; but there are also some pretty nasty things said about Sheila and various members of the extended family, justified in their minds in other ways.

There's a certain 'people in glass houses throwing stones' about it, which I can't quite put my finger on.

It's all back to perspectives I guess. 

[Roch]

You shouldn't generalise so much. It's too late for the victims, I'd just like to see the surviving family left in peace.

I wasn't aware that I was generalising.  I was referring to the 'far right' of the guilty camp.  I have often stated that the family are victims in the sense that they suffered a grievous loss due to the events of 7th August.  My views regarding them being victims in any other sense probably differ greatly from your own views, for numerous reasons already stated on here.

[JackiePreece]

You shouldn't generalise so much. It's too late for the victims, I'd just like to see the surviving family left in peace.

I  expect that's what the friends and family of the victim  feel like about the Simon Hall case

I bet they hate seeing Mrs Hall keeping dragging up the case

[NewChilledOutHartley]

I  expect that's what the friends and family of the victim  feel like about the Simon Hall case

I bet they hate seeing Mrs Hall keeping dragging up the case

Any chance we can keep personal attacks off of the forum, particularly when the person in question isn't even a member of this forum?

I'm not having a dig, just saying, that's all. 

[Roch]

I  expect that's what the friends and family of the victim  feel like about the Simon Hall case

I bet they hate seeing Mrs Hall keeping dragging up the case

Well said Jackie, by Jove you've pulled a blinder that one I must say.  Sorry hartley, well have to ATD on this one

[NewChilledOutHartley]

Well said Jackie, by Jove you've pulled a blinder that one I must say.  Sorry hartley, well have to ATD on this one

No worries.

[JackiePreece]

Which personal attacks

You can't pick and choose which friends and family need to be left in peace or you might as well never fight for what you believe is a MOJ

Thanks Rochy

[NewChilledOutHartley]

Which personal attacks

You can't pick and choose which friends and family need to be left in peace or you might as well never fight for what you believe is a MOJ

Thanks Rochy

I'm not picking and choosing, I don't know the case at all, but I have heard about the relationship and confrontation you have with another forum.

I strongly believe that you should refrain from antagonising them, rather than giving them more reason to retaliate against you.

But I've agreed to disagree, so let's move on please.

[Roch]

You can't pick and choose which friends and family need to be left in peace or you might as well never fight for what you believe is a MOJ

I also think this is a great quote.