Motivations For Murders

[susan]

Hi Grahame  I thought it was Social Workers but I will try and find it again.

[Patti]

Can Anyone explain this?

[Bridget]

Actually Bridget I believe someone else overheard a conversation about putting the kids out to foster homes? I can't remember who though. Also Sheila may have considered it a threat being in the mental state that she was? My friend's son is schizophrenic and whenever he hears a helicopter he thinks someone is coming to get him. The perceptions of schizophrenics are severely warped and can trigger violent reactions.

I can't disagree with any of that Grahame, but what her actual mental state was, and especially the degree of it, is largely speculation.

[maggie]

Well, this is why I don't ofetn enter into debates on Sheila's mental health. What some see as evidence that she may have done it I see as excuses to blame her. It'd be boring if we all thought the same though, wouldn't it.

Bridget, I dont think anyone is trying to blame Sheila. If Sheila was the catylist it was and still is a massive tragedy. Im sure all pro bamber forum members believe that.

[Bridget]

Bridget, I dont think anyone is trying to blame Sheila. If Sheila was the catylist it was and still is a massive tragedy. Im sure all pro bamber forum members believe that.

Yes, I didn't mean that she was being blamed in a bad way, more a "poor sheila she couldn't help it" way. But still..

[maggie]

Yes, I didn't mean that she was being blamed in a bad way, more a "poor sheila she couldn't help it" way. But still..

I suppose Bridget, if you see Jeremy as guilty it therefore follows that you may feel defensive about Sheila being blamed. On the otherhand if it is difficult for you to see how,why etc. Jeremy did it, then the possibility of Sheila at least starting it iappears quite possible.

[grahameb]

Well, this is why I don't ofetn enter into debates on Sheila's mental health. What some see as evidence that she may have done it I see as excuses to blame her. It'd be boring if we all thought the same though, wouldn't it.

Well not quite. (1) Only someone who was mentally deranged in my humble opinion could do such a thing and (2) It takes all the blame away from the girl, poor kid.

[Bridget]

I suppose Bridget, if you see Jeremy as guilty it therefore follows that you may feel defensive about Sheila being blamed. On the otherhand if it is difficult for you to see how,why etc. Jeremy did it, then the possibility of Sheila at least starting it iappears quite possible.

Very true.

[Bridget]

Well not quite. (1) Only someone who was mentally deranged in my humble opinion could do such a thing and (2) It takes all the blame away from the girl, poor kid.

Or evil beyond belief.

It would be far more comfortable all round if it were true that poor, mentally ill Sheila did it because then there would be no monster. I just don't believe that she did.

[grahameb]

I can't disagree with any of that Grahame, but what her actual mental state was, and especially the degree of it, is largely speculation.

Hi Bridget. Yes I agree and don't you think this case is made up of many such speculative ideas?

[maggie]

Or evil beyond belief.

It would be far more comfortable all round if it were true that poor, mentally ill Sheila did it because then there would be no monster. I just don't believe that she did.

But surely to be such a monster there would have to be psychological or psychiatric deviations. Jeremy Bamber has been found on 27 occasions to have no such deviations.

[Bridget]

Hi Bridget. Yes I agree and don't you think this case is made up of many such speculative ideas?

Yes, rather too many for my liking, I have to admit.

[Bridget]

But surely to be such a monster there would have to be psychological or psychiatric deviations. Jeremy Bamber has been found on 27 occasions to have no such deviations.

You'd like to think so wouldn't you, but there are plenty of murderers in prison who've also passed those tests (although probably not as many times as 27!)

[susan]

Bridget  I was just wondering if you can throw any light onto what happened when Jeremy entered WHF to murder is family It has been established that Sheila,s  bed had not been slept in and she had food in her stomach so she must have eaten after the others who were all in bed.  She would not just hang around whilst Jeremy shot everybody then calmly lie down so he could shoot her. The PM stated she was not  drugged up or sedated.  I was just wondering if I have missed something here.  Did she open the door for Jeremy or if he went in through a window she would think that strange and the dog crispy would have barked.

[grahameb]

You'd like to think so wouldn't you, but there are plenty of murderers in prison who've also passed those tests (although probably not as many times as 27!)

If he is guilty then he certainly would be a monster to appear so normal after all these years. If you have seen a modern picture of Ian Brady his features really have changed and he even looks like a dark kind of character abandoned by any semblance of humanity.