Why so sure?

[bob]

One thing I find difficult to understand...

The language that many of you on the pro-JB side use suggests that you are 100% convinced of JB's innocence. For example, Keira posted recently "I remain so confident that Jeremy is Innocent that I pledge to pay for the new tests that Jeremy's next Appeal bid or challenge to the CCRC's decision requires.", and she is not alone (otherwise I would just have aimed this question at you Keira - and I am, of course, very keen to hear your response!).

But why?

I understand that you don't think there is necessarily sufficient evidence to have convicted him, but surely that's not the same thing as being totally convinced that he is innocent?

As many of you know, I've always been "probably guilty" but I could never imagine having the certainty either way in this case that many of you seem to have. So how did you arrive at being so convinced of his innocence, rather than just having some doubts?

[Patti]

Hi Bob

I don't think Jeremy had a fair enough trial. I believe in fairness and in all fairness, there is no real evidence that convicted him. It was hearsay.

I would not like to think that I had my hand in releasing a murder. I don't think Jeremy is insane or a Psychopath. Alls he is trying to do is make people believe him, he wants his freedom.

There is stronger hearsay evidence that places someone else responsible that night, but it all has to be proved.

I admire Keira for her/his pledge......

I'm afraid I can''t do the same as I am stony broke.  To be fair I don't think a Jeremy fund would be appropriate.

[maggie]

egap, I agree with your post, you are a good listener and a very perceptive thinker. I agree with most of what you say.

[mertol22]

I can go to raw basics no one saw him enter or leave that night at WHF , there was no trace he had been there , no manhunt was ordered .

[maggie]

Thank you for your kind words Maggie.

No probs egap.

[Nuala]

One thing I find difficult to understand...

The language that many of you on the pro-JB side use suggests that you are 100% convinced of JB's innocence. For example, Keira posted recently "I remain so confident that Jeremy is Innocent that I pledge to pay for the new tests that Jeremy's next Appeal bid or challenge to the CCRC's decision requires.", and she is not alone (otherwise I would just have aimed this question at you Keira - and I am, of course, very keen to hear your response!).

But why?

I understand that you don't think there is necessarily sufficient evidence to have convicted him, but surely that's not the same thing as being totally convinced that he is innocent?

As many of you know, I've always been "probably guilty" but I could never imagine having the certainty either way in this case that many of you seem to have. So how did you arrive at being so convinced of his innocence, rather than just having some doubts?

Bob,

I've worked long hours today and I'm too tired to give you a considered reply now. All I will say this evening is that it's all about one thing for me: justice. I loathe the manner with which justice and democracy are being eroded in our country and with which people like Jeremy Bamber are denied justice.

If one person can be denied justice in our country, then any of us could be denied it. I worry for our children, about the sort of society we are bequeathing them. I want my children to live in the sort of society where justice is respected and cherished.

I want to go to my grave able to look myself in the eyes, knowing that I stood up for the things I care about and believe in: and justice is one of those things I care about.

[tyler]

I have said this before,but I do not believe that Jeremy pulled the trigger on that fateful night.
To plan the murders in advance,carry them out and then be so calm in the aftermath,would,in my opinion make him a pyschopath.
Also,I put alot of weight on PC Mercer and his dog.The german shepherd is said to have approached Jeremy but gave no positive response that Jeremy had fired any weapon.for which it was trained to do.
However,I am not fully convinced that Sheila was responsible either.
For me,it boils down to this - If Nevill was not in bed when it all started,then I can believe that Sheila was responsible.
If Nevill was in bed with June when it all started,then logic tells me that Jeremy is indeed guilty.

[Patti]

I have said this before,but I do not believe that Jeremy pulled the trigger on that fateful night.
To plan the murders in advance,carry them out and then be so calm in the aftermath,would,in my opinion make him a pyschopath.

I totally agree with you there Tyler.

Also,I put alot of weight on PC Mercer and his dog.The german shepherd is said to have approached Jeremy but gave no positive response that Jeremy had fired any weapon.for which it was trained to do.

However,I am not fully convinced that Sheila was responsible either.

That is something of a dilemma isn't it? For she was so clean, no bruises, nothing. She could have showered?


For me,it boils down to this - If Nevill was not in bed when it all started,then I can believe that Sheila was responsible.

I think Shelia was downstairs having something to eat and Nevill went downstairs because he heard her, then a confrontation emerged and she took hold of the gun.

If Nevill was in bed with June when it all started,then logic tells me that Jeremy is indeed guilty.

[G]

Bob,

I've worked long hours today and I'm too tired to give you a considered reply now. All I will say this evening is that it's all about one thing for me: justice. I loathe the manner with which justice and democracy are being eroded in our country and with which people like Jeremy Bamber are denied justice.

If one person can be denied justice in our country, then any of us could be denied it. I worry for our children, about the sort of society we are bequeathing them. I want my children to live in the sort of society where justice is respected and cherished.

I want to go to my grave able to look myself in the eyes, knowing that I stood up for the things I care about and believe in: and justice is one of those things I care about.

I go with what you say here Keira. You are one of the smartest people I know and that your research is thorough.

[Nuala]

I go with what you say here Keira. You are one of the smartest people I know and that your research is thorough.

Thanks, G. I respect your views too.

[G]

Sheila's autopsy showed that there was still undigested food in her stomach when she died. The others had no undigested food in their stomachs. The stomach is  empty in half an hour. Now what does that tell you?

[Patti]

Thanks, G. I respect your views too.

Keira I must say I admire your dedication and strength an excellent post...on Justice. I am a strong believer in fairness and we haven't see any of that today....

[G]

Keira I must say I admire your dedication and strength an excellent post...on Justice. I am a strong believer in fairness and we haven't see any of that today....

No we haven't. Well you know what they say? "The best committee consists of two people with one absentee".

[maggie]

I go with what you say here Keira. You are one of the smartest people I know and that your research is thorough.

Egap I totally understand what you are saying.  I have issues with other countries who are being verbally attacked ,as well as we are, actually from the left as much as the right. There is too much misrepresentation from people and countries who don't fit the mould. What the world needs is a bloody good war!  Sorry I don't personally believe that.

[Patti]

Sheila's autopsy showed that there was still undigested food in her stomach when she died. The others had no undigested food in their stomachs. The stomach is  empty in half an hour. Now what does that tell you?

Really...So has this been used in the new evidence? Never mind, they wouldn't listen anyway....Good night all....sleep well.