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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #675 on: May 11, 2012, 11:48:AM »
Sheila was a very misunderstood and misguided soul.

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« Reply #676 on: May 11, 2012, 11:58:AM »
No,nothing sinister,NCOH,just a point I was making on the post-mortem, though I understand what you're getting at. All I was wondering was how long after the murders took place.

To try and ascertain the length of time between eating and being killed? I see what you mean (I think).

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« Reply #677 on: May 11, 2012, 11:59:AM »
EGAP,,,not forgetting that the family also forced her to have an abortion at the age of 17,which would have had a devastating effect on her mind at that crucial stage in life. Then a miscarriage before giving birth to the twins. June was the one who'd indoctrinated Sheila on " devil " children after having called Sheila one at the age of 17. Can you imagine being spoken to in such a way.?
There must have been a culmination of events to have led Sheila to distraction/destruction. I have every sympathy for the poor girl.

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« Reply #678 on: May 11, 2012, 12:10:PM »
NCOH, yes,but I was also suggesting that Sheila had eaten after the murders took place,as having already eaten an evening meal,she would have had something that would have been easily digestible in a shorter space of time than a full meal. Maybe just a couple of hours digesting process as opposed to 3+ hours after a heavier meal. Nevertheless,it still would have been an important factor.
Then again,each person is different at assimilation of food.

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« Reply #679 on: May 11, 2012, 12:24:PM »
I think I'd be correct in stating that more women kill/murder their children,than men. I did read somewhere that there's a test available to women who either wish to become pregnant,or who already are. This test is to ascertain whether the woman will be prone to post-natal depression.
To my mind,it can't come soon enough as we're hearing cases more often now than ever before,and if not treated in time,can,and does lead to drastic consequences.
In Sheila's time,it wasn't taken so seriously.

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« Reply #680 on: May 11, 2012, 12:46:PM »
NCOH, yes,but I was also suggesting that Sheila had eaten after the murders took place,as having already eaten an evening meal,she would have had something that would have been easily digestible in a shorter space of time than a full meal. Maybe just a couple of hours digesting process as opposed to 3+ hours after a heavier meal. Nevertheless,it still would have been an important factor.
Then again,each person is different at assimilation of food.

I'm not sure what level of forensic tests were available, let alone carried out, there are a number of different observations which could have indicated a time death, from stomach contents, film over eyes, body/liver temperature, hardening, skin colour, blood pooling and probably dozens more that I'm not aware of.

I also think it's a little difficult for a lay person to really interpret these signs correctly and in context.

There are several arguments that could be made either way and there are a few too many sweeping statements put forward. For example, we know that rigor mortis occurs at a very much quicker rate in muscles which have been active prior to death, the apparent lack of rigor mortis in Sheila must surely indicate that she was not active prior to death and therefore not responsible for the murders? On the otherhand, you might say that Sheila didn't show signs of rigor mortis because she only recently committed suicide and therefore was responsible.

I've got no idea what indications could or could not be obtained from her stomach contents, I'd like to think that they obtained all the information they could, but that may be too idealistic.  :-\
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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #681 on: May 11, 2012, 01:18:PM »
 Yes, EGAP, I believe there were two miscarriages. Looking at it from a psychological view,it would seem that in Sheila's mind,she was perhaps trying to compensate for her previously " forced " abortion,by wanting to become pregnant.Who knows how,or what her mind was like at the time.? I do know with each pregnancy that she'd have had hormonal changes going on throughout her body,including her mind.
It was stated that Sheila was menstruating at the time of the murders.Another state of mind which could have been a significant factor in her instability.
Her lifestyle included a bit of waitressing in a " not so glamorous " establishment,cocaine taken at parties, a spell of nude modelling and benefits that were appropriate for her then condition. 
The girl was rebelling for reasons we'll never get to find out. This was her way of asking for the help that didn't materialise.

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #682 on: May 11, 2012, 01:43:PM »
Because an adopted child struggles with loss even if that loss is not remembered, abortion and/or miscarriage are enormously difficult events to come to terms with.  Even if Sheila didn't have schizophrenia it was enough to tip her over the edge.  See egap1s post below.  ie triad of adoption.  (It can be a wonderfull and fulfilling experience for all but the child will always suffer from loss.).

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #683 on: May 11, 2012, 01:56:PM »
Maggie,,,it really must have been horrendous for Sheila at times,and I suppose that her actions were to try and suppress her feelings of abandonment and desperation.
Even when parents divorce,it still has a lasting effect on the child/children. They're not all resilient,as most blame themselves during marriage/partnership break-ups,the same as for an adopted child. 

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #684 on: May 11, 2012, 02:06:PM »
Am I right in saying there were 4 doors leading from the kitchen...
Yes, it had four doors, as described. I think the pantry I mentioned also had an external door (Green side), which hadn't been used (in a long time) and may have been obstructed.

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #685 on: May 11, 2012, 02:30:PM »
Can I just say, what a lovely change to have a proper reasoned debate with differing views but no arguments....refreshing.
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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #686 on: May 11, 2012, 02:35:PM »
Can I just say, what a lovely change to have a proper reasoned debate with differing views but no arguments....refreshing.

P L E A S E don't tempt Fate...

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #687 on: May 11, 2012, 02:36:PM »


Enjoy it while it lasts...


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« Reply #688 on: May 11, 2012, 02:38:PM »
P L E A S E don't tempt Fate...

I was gonna say, I've just got back from the pub!!!  ;D

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Re: How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...
« Reply #689 on: May 11, 2012, 02:39:PM »
Lol.....I'll report myself to the moderators and have the last 3 posts removed....
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