How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...

[vidvic]

That's fine. The last time someone said that, it was a ploy to get me to prove via PM I've seen it. So when people don't believe, that's fine. People that know me well enough know where I work and what I do so it's fine.

No it's not a ploy mat. I agree with a lot of your views on the case but there isn't anything accurate about your reporting of the refusal.

[guest154]

No it's not a ploy mat. I agree with a lot of your views on the case but there isn't anything accurate about your reporting of the refusal.

Everything I said was accurate. Did you see the JR letter? Once that was posted I recieved PM's from people here apologising because they'd given me a hard time yet I'd told them almost word for word.

[vidvic]

Let's just agree to disagree.

[guest154]

It's fine. I'm not going to debate it. I sensed early on that there were only two people I could fully trust to tell more than I would post on the open board, enough for them to know I'm serious and I've seen it and I've done that. One was Keira and the other was AA.

[NewChilledOutHartley]

That's fine. Mud sticks. With all the bullshit people have posted about me - I wouldn't believe me if I was in your shoes either.

But I did tell you all about the CCRC decision, I did say why it was declined. And everything I said came true when that letter was posted by NGB.

I'm just a VERY good guesser it seems.

But to be fair, you 'guessing' 30 minutes before is nothing, I made out I knew a couple of weeks before in one of my habitual wind ups, I was as accurate as you appear to be, although I most certainly have not seen any report giving the decision, then or now.

Anyway, I'm not calling you out and don't wish to cause offence, as I said, it's up to you what you post.

[guest154]

But to be fair, you 'guessing' 30 minutes before is nothing, I made out I knew a couple of weeks before in one of my habitual wind ups, I was as accurate as you appear to be, although I most certainly have not seen any report giving the decision, then or now.

Anyway, I'm not calling you out and don't wish to cause offence, as I said, it's up to you what you post.

So it's people like you that make people suspicious of genuine people. I see.

[NewChilledOutHartley]

So it's people like you that make people suspicious of genuine people. I see.

So it would seem. 

[maggie]

 

So it's people like you that make people suspicious of genuine people. I see.

No mat  ncoh or old uptight hartley still had a sense of humour.

[maggie]

Though apparently he tried to shoot them in twilight without sights which would have assisted him in seeing them better.......

wots that got to do with anything?

[Nuala]

Ah, so you're talking about short term foster care in London, not the situation at the time of the murders.?

Hi Vic,

Are you claiming that short term foster care is not foster care?

Do we have any documents that establish that this was short term and its duration?

The situation at the time of the murders was that Colin had care of the twins 95% of the time (source: Colin's book) because Sheila had been recently released from hospital - she had been sectioned in March 1985 due to severe and violent psychotic episodes (Dr Ferguson's and Freddie's statements).

Given Sheila's deteriorating mental health, June would have wished to arrange foster care to prevent Sheila and June and Nevill losing contact with the boys and in order to ensure the twins had a religious upbringing.

[Nuala]

The boys lived with Colin! So if day fostering would mean her and the boys spending more time with her, then why would that send her into a deadly frenzy?

Vic,

Sheila's friend, Freddie, made a statement that, in March 1985, a mere telephone conversation with a friend, during which June was mentioned and the the call was cut off, led to Sheila immediately having a severe and violent psychotic episode. This was so severe that Freddie feared for the safety of everyone in the flat inclusing the twins'.

Sheila was a paranoid schizophrenic, at times she behaved in a highly irrational and violent manner. We can't apply the rules of logic to her conduct.

[Nuala]

It's fine. I'm not going to debate it. I sensed early on that there were only two people I could fully trust to tell more than I would post on the open board, enough for them to know I'm serious and I've seen it and I've done that. One was Keira and the other was AA.

Thank you, Mat!

[Bridget]

Everything I said was accurate. Did you see the JR letter? Once that was posted I recieved PM's from people here apologising because they'd given me a hard time yet I'd told them almost word for word.

Where was the JR letter posted?

[Roch]

The defence on the eve of the trial were quite despondent when a psychologist told them he believed bamber to be a psychopath. I have seen at least one tv interview where a psychologist describes bamber as a stereotypical psychopath, so am not sure what you're basing this post on? According to the official web site 26 doctors have said he's perfectly normal but who were these doctors? Why has he been tested so many times and why? Is there a list? Where is the evidence these tests were done?

Do you mean Kerry Daynes?  She has never examined Bamber, nor is she a member of the Healthcare Professions Council or the British Psychological Society.  Bamber was tested by Dr. Vincent Egan. 


http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/psychology/ppl/ve2

He was tested for psychopathy, self deception and manipulation towards the tester.  To pass all these tests and a Lafayette Instrument polygraph but still be guilty, he would have to be some boy.  We're getting in to the realms of Dr. Hannibal Lecter. 

[ngb1066]

The only person who has ever mentioned the twins being put into care is Jeremy bamber. June & Nevill couldn't have done it even if they had wanted to as it wasn't their call to make, especially as they were living with their father at the time.

That is not true.  Other evidence has come to light recently which supports Jeremy's account about this.