Bamber guilty, surely!

[Patti]

I think your wrong about Ralph's body - it was definitely on the chair behind the door before the police pushed it open, and I believe there was another chair directly in front of his body, which he got toppled over on top of it when police pushed open the internal door...

You are not reading the available crime scene photographs correctly...

Mike I do believe the chair had been moved, there is no doubt about that, but the body stayed still...That is my opinion...It stayed still because of rigour mortise...the body was too stiff to move.  The chair on the other hand did move...His arm are the clue Mike....If he was sat up in the chair, it would mean his arms would have been straight out in front of him......which is very unlikely.....you don't die with your arms stuck out in front of you, they fall to your side......

This is why, I believe he was in the position he died in....only the chair moved....and not his body.

Look at all the blood.....below the scuttle....no dead man bleeds like that after 4 or more hours....

[mike tesko]

Mike I do believe the chair had been moved, there is no doubt about that, but the body stayed still...That is my opinion...It stayed still because of rigour mortise...the body was too stiff to move.  The chair on the other hand did move...His arm are the clue Mike....If he was sat up in the chair, it would mean his arms would have been straight out in front of him......which is very unlikely.....you don't die with your arms stuck out in front of you, they fall to your side......

This is why, I believe he was in the position he died in....only the chair moved....and not his body.

Look at all the blood.....below the scuttle....no dead man bleeds like that after 4 or more hours....

I think you miss the point about the second chair...

What we have are two chairs behind the internal door, with Ralph Bamber sat on the rear one against the door, and his arms resting on the back of the other wooden chair in front of him. When police pushed open the door, and toppled his body over, he fell forward over the top of the second chair and police placed his head into the coal bucket..

[ajross]

Hi lebaleb......I would like to know who put that towel there and why were the seat covers stacked up...like someone had laid on them?

I believe there is evidence on the forum that explains that the police used the towel and cushions to curtail the flow of blood after Nevill's dead body was knocked off of the chair with the force of entry. I'm sure one of the senior members could point you in the direction of this evidence and/or discussion

[G]

I believe there is evidence on the forum that explains that the police used the towel and cushions to curtail the flow of blood after Nevill's dead body was knocked off of the chair with the force of entry. I'm sure one of the senior members could point you in the direction of this evidence and/or discussion

That seems a bit unconventional doesn't it in a crime scene?

[ajross]

That seems a bit unconventional doesn't it in a crime scene?

It certainly does to me, I'm only trying to provide an answer to a question i have asked and was given the same answer. my next question after that was, but surely the blood had congealed and another member pointed out that the blood had probably pooled in the wounds

[G]

It certainly does to me, I'm only trying to provide an answer to a question i have asked and was given the same answer. my next question after that was, but surely the blood had congealed and another member pointed out that the blood had probably pooled in the wounds

I should have thought so if he had been dead that long. As I am assured that dead people don't bleed? I think in that same light the photo of Sheila apparently shows blood still flowing from her wounds?

[ajross]

and the answer I got on here from soembody that asked that very same thing was that it was likely that the blood had pooled in her wound and seeped out when the police moved her body. All of that is complete speculation though and it is unlikely we will ever know why there was blood around Nevill's head or leaking from Sheila's throat/mouth

[G]

and the answer I got on here from soembody that asked that very same thing was that it was likely that the blood had pooled in her wound and seeped out when the police moved her body. All of that is complete speculation though and it is unlikely we will ever know why there was blood around Nevill's head or leaking from Sheila's throat/mouth

But the police insist that they didn't move her body.

[ajross]

Well, I guess various people disagree with that going from what I've read but I am no expert. Mike suggests the body was on the bed, other people have said the body was turned on it's side. All I can say is that the body seems to have been moved in the photos that I have looked at. Do you not believe that the bodies were moved at all by the police then?

[G]

Well, I guess various people disagree with that going from what I've read but I am no expert. Mike suggests the body was on the bed, other people have said the body was turned on it's side. All I can say is that the body seems to have been moved in the photos that I have looked at. Do you not believe that the bodies were moved at all by the police then?

Oh I defineitely think the bodies were moved and I agree with Mike that Sheila and Junes bodies were on the bed before being moved by the police. We have his testimony that he has seen a picture showing just that and is backed up by Mrs, Ann Eaton's statement. I was just stating what the police said.

[Patti]

I think you miss the point about the second chair...

What we have are two chairs behind the internal door, with Ralph Bamber sat on the rear one against the door, and his arms resting on the back of the other wooden chair in front of him. When police pushed open the door, and toppled his body over, he fell forward over the top of the second chair and police placed his head into the coal bucket..

Hi Mike I'm sorry but i do disagree on that. Dead men don't bleed after 4 maybe 5 hours.  After such an horrific death rigour mortise would have set in rather quickly, also his age is another factor.

How I see it, might be different from yourself, but I see it that the chair Nevill was sitting on got kicked from underneath him, his body stayed in situ....

I do believe June was definitely moved, no doubt about that...unless she had cradle the dog underneath her arms before rigour mortise set in....

Shelia, was deffo on her side....blood flow from each wound flows to the right...not down but to her right side.......the gun was also move, there is clear evidence of that......

I wont budge Mike, I am a Yorkshire lass......baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Nuala]

Oh I defineitely think the bodies were moved and I agree with Mike that Sheila and Junes bodies were on the bed before being moved by the police. We have his testimony that he has seen a picture showing just that and is backed up by Mrs, Ann Eaton's statement. I was just stating what the police said.

I can see little or no room for doubt that the bodies were moved I also believe that Mike has seen a photograph of Sheila's body on the bed.

[maggie]

I can see little or no room for doubt that the bodies were moved I also believe that Mike has seen a photograph of Sheila's body on the bed.

Totally agree with you G.  Mike has a huge job on there.

[ajross]

I can see little or no room for doubt that the bodies were moved I also believe that Mike has seen a photograph of Sheila's body on the bed.

I have read that he has and have no reason not to believe him, I agree with everything that 'G' said, on the face of it it seemed that we were having a diagreement but i don't dispute any of his posts, i was merely triying to offer the explanations that were given to me when i asked similarly questions about the blood. The answer that I was given (i.e that blood had pooled in the mouths of the bodies) doesn't particularly ring true but regardless of that the bodies were clearly moved.

[Patti]

I can see little or no room for doubt that the bodies were moved I also believe that Mike has seen a photograph of Sheila's body on the bed.

Hi Chochok

I don't doubt Mike has seen the photographs at all. What does bother me is why these photo's have not
been brought forward and used in defence?

And, why aren't people giving statements that they exist?