Bamber guilty, surely!

[mike tesko]

What was fair about deceiving everybody into accepting that only 223 photographs had been taken, and in only making 50 preselected ones taken from these 223, to the court for the jury to take note of, and so that they could refer to these to help them make up their minds if Jeremy Bamber had indeed killed everyone, including his sister, and that afterwards he had stage managed the scene (in keeping with the images made available to the court) to fool everyone into thinking Sheila was responsible, when all along he was?

It was a significantly unfair advantage which the prosecution had when the trial commenced, in the knowledge that over 531 photographs were kept back from the jury who were responsible for deciding whether or not Bamber had stage managed the crime scene as alleged...

[mike tesko]

What was fair about deceiving everybody into accepting that only 223 photographs had been taken, and in only making 50 preselected ones taken from these 223, to the court for the jury to take note of, and so that they could refer to these to help them make up their minds if Jeremy Bamber had indeed killed everyone, including his sister, and that afterwards he had stage managed the scene (in keeping with the images made available to the court) to fool everyone into thinking Sheila was responsible, when all along he was?

It was a significantly unfair advantage which the prosecution had when the trial commenced, in the knowledge that over 531 photographs were kept back from the jury who were responsible for deciding whether or not Bamber had stage managed the crime scene as alleged...

Lets get the facts right...

The prosecution did not alert Bambers solicitors to the existence of the other 358 photographs which had been taken, or that THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM containing a total of 581 photographs even existed, let alone that 358 of these had been withheld, under pii, or otherwise...

[mike tesko]

Bamber and his legal team should have been provided with a list of information prior to the commencement of the case at trial, setting out the evidence in two categories, (1) Disclosed material, and (2) non disclosed material. Amongst this should have been (3) reference to material which the crown intended not to disclose because it was being withheld under pii...

[mike tesko]

Bamber and his legal team should have been provided with a list of information prior to the commencement of the case at trial, setting out the evidence in two categories, (1) Disclosed material, and (2) non disclosed material. Amongst this should have been (3) reference to material which the crown intended not to disclose because it was being withheld under pii...

My understanding is that any such material which was being proposed to be withheld under the pii rule, could still be made available to the defence for use or reference during any subsequent trial or court proceedings, by order of a court. Providing that it could be shown or demonstrated that the material in question might tend to prove or establish a persons innocence? Well, in my opinion, if all 581 photographs had been made available to Bamber and his legal team, there can be little doubt that they would have been able to seriously undermine a fundamental part of the Prosecutions case, which focussed upon Bamber having killed everyone, of he stage managing the crime scene, and making it appear that Sheila was responsible, that she had then gone on to take her own life, and that he had stage managed the scene so as to fool police into accepting Sheila was the guilty party, when all along he was...

If all 581 photographs had been made available to Bambers legal team before commencement of the trial, the outcome would almost certainly have been very much different, because the crown would not have got away with fooling the jury into accepting that Bamber had stage managed the scene, since photographic evidence existed to show it was the police themselves who were responsible for doing that / this...

[mike tesko]

In a nutshell...

The photographic material available and part of this case, was manipulated by the police / crown so that a false scenario was created to allow Jeremy Bamber to be prosecuted for these murders...

[mike tesko]

In a nutshell...

The photographic material available and part of this case, was manipulated by the police / crown so that a false scenario was created to allow Jeremy Bamber to be prosecuted for these murders...

Now...

every single one of you, and everybody, or anybody, who believes in the rule of law, and fairness, has to ask yourselves this question, "How would you feel, if police or the crown had all this (581 pictures) photographic evidence / material, which would tend to undermine the case being brought against you (for whatever reason that case might be), and it was being kept from you or those representing your interests, and kept from the jury who would be charged with deciding the outcome of the proceeding which have been brought against you"?

Imagine if the penalty for getting convicted of some offence or other and that the consequences of getting convicted could mean that you would have to spend the rest of your life locked up behind bars, but this could have been avoided if 358 photographs which the police had taken, were not only being withheld, but you had not been told these were being withheld, or that they even existed - how would you feel?

[mike tesko]

Now...

every single one of you, and everybody, or anybody, who believes in the rule of law, and fairness, has to ask yourselves this question, "How would you feel, if police or the crown had all this (581 pictures) photographic evidence / material, which would tend to undermine the case being brought against you (for whatever reason that case might be), and it was being kept from you or those representing your interests, and kept from the jury who would be charged with deciding the outcome of the proceeding which have been brought against you"?

Imagine if the penalty for getting convicted of some offence or other and that the consequences of getting convicted could mean that you would have to spend the rest of your life locked up behind bars, but this could have been avoided if 358 photographs which the police had taken, were not only being withheld, but you had not been told these were being withheld, or that they even existed - how would you feel?

This was / is the position which Jeremy Bamber found himself in back in October 1986, when his case fell to heard by a jury...

[mike tesko]

If you do not officially declare that you took 358 additional photographs, many which were taken at the scene whilst police were messing around with bodies and exhibits, it has to be treated as a criminal offence, in that it amounts to a serious deception to seek to conceal them. The proper protocols which are / were in place to lawfully withhold such material if its content was so sensitive that it ought not to be made public knowledge, were not applied in this particular case. Instead, police deliberately got PC David Bird, to produce a false record, so as to deliberately hide and conceal for the fact that THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM consisting of 581 pictures, existed at all...

[mike tesko]

If you do not officially declare that you took 358 additional photographs, many which were taken at the scene whilst police were messing around with bodies and exhibits, it has to be treated as a criminal offence, in that it amounts to a serious deception to seek to conceal them. The proper protocols which are / were in place to lawfully withhold such material if its content was so sensitive that it ought not to be made public knowledge, were not applied in this particular case. Instead, police deliberately got PC David Bird, to produce a false record, so as to deliberately hide and conceal for the fact that THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM consisting of 581 pictures, existed at all...

Let us look at what they got PC David Bird (SOC) to do to carry off this deception:-

They got him to produce two photographic schedules, suggesting that these were the only photographs taken in connection with this case, one schedule related the THE MASTER COPY ALBUM containing all 223 photographs, and the other THE COURT ALBUM containing 50 p-reselected photographs taken from the first...

[mike tesko]

Let us look at what they got PC David Bird (SOC) to do to carry off this deception:-

They got him to produce two photographic schedules, suggesting that these were the only photographs taken in connection with this case, one schedule related the THE MASTER COPY ALBUM containing all 223 photographs, and the other THE COURT ALBUM containing 50 p-reselected photographs taken from the first...

To date...

no schedule has ever been produced showing the transitional arrangements surrounding how the 581 photographs contained in THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM, relate to the 223 photographs contained in the MASTER COPY ALBUM, or how they in turn relate to the 50 photographs contained in THE COURT ALBUM?

[mike tesko]

To date...

no schedule has ever been produced showing the transitional arrangements surrounding how the 581 photographs contained in THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM, relate to the 223 photographs contained in the MASTER COPY ALBUM, or how they in turn relate to the 50 photographs contained in THE COURT ALBUM?

Most of the missing 358 photographs help to prove, show or establish that police themselves stage managed the crime scene, and blamed Jeremy during his trial (and since) for doing what they had done, and did...

[mike tesko]

According to police and the prosecution - police did not move or touch or disturb anything at all, except for Detective Inspector Ronald Cook who had to admit that he moved Sheila's hand so that PC Bird could photographs some bloodied marks on the front lower part of her nightdress...

[ajross]

Let us look at what they got PC David Bird (SOC) to do to carry off this deception:-

They got him to produce two photographic schedules, suggesting that these were the only photographs taken in connection with this case, one schedule related the THE MASTER COPY ALBUM containing all 223 photographs, and the other THE COURT ALBUM containing 50 p-reselected photographs taken from the first...

and which, if any, still exists? I'm not too hot on legal proceedings but if it can proved that the photos were dealt with in this way would it stll be possible to rule it as some form of mistrial and have him acquitted?

[mike tesko]

According to police and the prosecution - police did not move or touch or disturb anything at all, except for Detective Inspector Ronald Cook who had to admit that he moved Sheila's hand so that PC Bird could photographs some bloodied marks on the front lower part of her nightdress...

Well...

many of the missing 358 photographs prove the police did move many things, not only Sheila's hand...

They moved bodies of the victims,  they moved exhibits like the gun, and bullet cases, and furniture around - and whilst they were doing this, and afterwards, they took photographs...

There is no doubt at all police stage managed the crime scene, yet Jeremy Bamber stands convicted of having done so, despite photographs existing which are in police possession which prove he did not...

[ajross]

Mike - Do you know which file it would have been that you saw when you went to see Ewen Smith as discussed in another thread, and saw the photo of Sheila on the bed?